How to buy at foreign auctions?

[Nik]

Who bought their own someday pictures at foreign auctions? As a private person? How is it done? Really I buy something over the Internet? Or must be present yourself?

Are primarily interested in personal experience rather than theoretical reasoning (rules of participation in the auctions I myself read the auction site).

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(see also the second similar question in the topic "How to sell the painting at foreign auctions?")

[Meister]

Now there is nothing easier than buying at auction ... you want to personally present, you want to on the phone, you want to leave stamped bid form (the offer). chooses how you easier. true, I think in all cases, the auction must provide a financial guarantee from the bank that you are solvent. And because the technology is simple: to find work of interest looking at the estimate, if not discouraged, to determine for itself the price willing to pay. If there is an auction, then torugeshsya show signs if by telephone, the employee at home tells you the current price and the next step - large enough, to do, not happy - then do not uchastvuesh ... or you can just keep using the bid form the price you willing to pay and just waiting for the results ....

minus purchases over the Internet - something that you do not see a thing and then you can get on his hands is not at all (in terms of image quality) than it looked on the picture ...

[Nik]

And how can trust the examination of the auction when buying pictures? Clearly, Auctions strife, but at the same Sotheby's and Christie, who argue that selling only authentic items and provide their own expert advice - we know that at these auctions there are fakes. Does the auction is responsible for the authenticity of items sold, and what to do if you actually bought a fake? Is it possible in this case, demand money back - or rather, return it?

[Konstantin]

Very interesting topic.
About Sotheby's and Christie's, I heard that if you personally bought it, and then to doubt the authenticity, then within 20 (? Not sure) years, you return the money (but not tax 20%and yet that is), provided that prove that it is a fake (which is difficult). But if you bought that someone bought, then bribes smooth - the auction did not return. But now these auctions with the authenticity of much better - hired a multilingual staff and art historians. But some German (if you're interested, I'll specify), it also happens that out of 300 lots - 2-e original.
Q: I want to, for example personally participate in Sotheby's, which is needed for this?

[artemirra]

Unfortunately, no not twenty years old and 5 (if not less) - they recently cut, so to speak, "warranty period". And to make back the money - needed iron evidence is primarily the results of technological expertise. And if you buy on the western auction, then you are the expert said that this work would not confirm - is not an argument. Looking for justification.
I think that now the procedure of the paper at Sotheby's is greatly simplified - just now we have opened an office, Sotheby's CIS. So what is best for them and treat (somewhere in Romanov Lane, contacts probably have on the site)

[Nik]

Сообщение от artemirra

And so that returned the money - needed iron evidence, it is primarily the results of technological expertise.

artemirra, I understand that the technological expertise - expertise is the application of technical means to determine the time of creation of things, and perhaps compare it with other works by the same author, and a similar period for the similarity (if these other things to do this kind of expertise and know their results). So?

Well, I'm afraid, in this case to prove anything almost impossible. This means that auctions can easily (well, almost quietly) to trade competently made fakes, are not particularly fear of unpleasant consequences. What are they, as far as I'm aware of, and do.

In general, it appears that the rescue of drowning - a handwork of drowning. That is, if he does not understand or you can get expert advice, you can easily be trapped even buying the thing for a large and prestigious auction. Sad.

Well, by the way, in this case, the information that is available on this site (I'm talking about here are indicators of risk), it is simply priceless for those not too versed in the art of various artists. And, as I understand it, even the experts and those same experts are always quite narrowly focused and well known not all artists.

Yes, a valuable site, more and more convinced of this. I am even willing to pay extra to its creators, only to continue to work in the same spirit.

[Meister]

Nik, there are recognized experts and centers of expertise, and if they confirm that the thing is false, then the provision of such a conclusion most of the major auction houses it without too much disturbance will be back.

Auction is not profitable to trade with false things, because it strikes at their reputations, and therefore the number of clients, so they are extremely interested in the authenticity of items sold, but all things are impossible to trace, so the auctions appear fake.

Of course, better use of expert opinion with any purchase. But even better when it is not "generic" expert, and the person versed specifically in any one direction or the artist. Because there are no experts who have dealt in all.

If all goes in the same direction, and the creators of the site will indeed be time to put all these indicators of risk, attracting more and more recognized experts (who are now rumored to not a few), we agree with Nik, the most unique information . Cesna speaking, even in the world never met such.