Collectors are afraid to buy the antique salon

[Artem]

Collectors afraid to buy the antique salon


Collector - "MK" : " true masterpiece I find in the garbage "

On Saturday , March 29 , CHA opens 36th Antique Salon . On it you can find hundreds of paintings, sculptures and other works of art - this time on antique week put their stuff more than 300 galleries. However, it is unlikely they will be able to sell a lot of work. In the collecting medium talk only about one - about fakes , which flooded the art market . "MK" visited the unofficial opening of the Salon , and knew what kind of mood prevails among collectors .

This year for the Antique Salon double anniversary . The first date is inherent in the salon - he knocked 20 years. The second - with the International Confederation of antique and art dealers (MKAAD ) this spring marking its 10th anniversary ( Salon initiated its creation ) . Formally, this is why a traditional press conference exhibition and sale held in a festive atmosphere increased : in the hall of DNA ( new House of Culture ) on the background of photographs taken over the years , his awards and opened champagne. Welcoming remarks said Deputy Culture Minister Gregory Ivleev and head compartment and MKAAD Vasily Bychkov , who led the ceremony , alternately called to the scene of museum staff and antique dealers , handing them commemorative certificates and statuettes and talked a lot about how the market became clearer during the Salon and the Confederation . This format allowed to avoid the issue of forgeries in the art market , which did not stop to talk to the arrest of the former employee of the Russian Museum , renowned expert Elena Basner . However, what has been said from the stage , still sounded in the margins .

After the completion of the official part , I talked to the collector who , for obvious reasons, would prefer not to advertise their name.

- You 're going to buy something at the Salon ?

- It is unlikely . These things I'm looking for the garbage that is in homes where they were kept quiet for decades and passed down from generation to generation. I try to buy from people who are not associated with an antique community. This is where all tied and can not vouch for the purity of things. I do not want to say that at the Salon all completely fake. I believe that the big things , the ones that are published in the catalog of the Salon , genuine. But the lower segment , cheap things , God knows who wrote it.

- That is not faith and members of the Confederation of antique or Guild of Appraisers ?

- Antique world is very narrow sphere , everything related to each other , so no. Credits - is subjective and better focus on those people whom you know for a long time and that sure. Have not developed an independent examination , which could be done without human intervention will always be a danger that you may vtyuhat fake. I personally collect recently , about seven years old, and I try to focus on their own feelings . One look at the work and feel that it stands for history, look at the other - and her emptiness. It comes with experience . When I started out, I bought a bunch of fakes. Now that is a little grown expert in this matter , I understand how to look for masterpieces.

- Do you think this will be a disaster Salon , no one will buy it?

- In fact, avid collectors , those who are truly sick gathering, never buy at the Salon . They are looking at and if they find something worthwhile , after the Salon turning into a gallery where noticed a good thing . I call those who buy at the Salon shopkeepers ... I mean, here buy only newcomers - shopkeepers, not related to art, who want to boast to friends or clients of the acquisition . In addition, the prices at the Salon often over-ambitious : it happens thing is worth five thousand, and sell it for 500 .

At first, informal , bottom Salon " shopkeepers " , of course, you will not find : on this day , by invitation only . On stands firmly hung paintings of the first magnitude - from Aivazovsky, Shishkin and Vereshchagin to Goncharova Feshina and Grigorieva ( on which the forgery as pierced Basner ) . Missing work and not too well-known artists . I went to one of the stands - look attracts a small (50 by 70 cm) Vereshchagin painting . Looks as if written yesterday : no craquelure ( cracks on the ink film ) or darkening , and the signature Big red discharged . Perhaps her specially restored to the Salon , but who knows . Picture is worth 400,000 rubles. Expert opinion , they say there is , but can not show it , "It's the owner , but he's not in place ." Large format paintings and estimated that more - a million, two or more. Understanding people before buying such masterpieces , of course, asked opinion on the authenticity and purity recheck paintings with their experts who do not work the first year. Experience taught unkind Andrey Vasilyev , who believed what the seller false Grigorieva .

But the public, which will be held at Salon not shopping , it will be interesting to see the special project exhibition. At this time he devoted to World War I, exactly one hundred years ago in the vast raging in Europe. The exhibition - the most interesting works of the Russian avant-garde. For example, tests with satirical posters and caricatures Mayakovsky Kazimir Malevich, Aristarchus Lentulova and David Burliuk . Album or the most expensive art market artist Natalia Goncharova , entitled " Mystical Images of War." We also present a unique book - album Alexander twisted " universe war . Kommersant " . In short, there is something to marvel at.

material: Maria Moskvicheva

http://www.mk.ru/culture/article/201...om-salone.html

[uriart]

Artem, as journalists always add fuel to the fire.

It seems that they know who and what to buy.

Who bought from reliable dealers and that will buy.

And who choked fufletsom looking freebie that and it will choke and scream that around fakes.

[Евгений]

"How will the economic sanctions on Russian art market? Hypotheses ARTinvestment.RU"

Good article, site section "Investments in art"

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A lot of interesting and useful ...

[eustace]

Сообщение от Artem; 3067651"

These things I'm looking for the garbage that is in homes where they were kept quiet for decades and passed down from generation to generation. I try to buy from people who are not associated with an antique community. This is where all tied and can not vouch for the purity of things. I do not want to say that at the Salon all entirely counterfeit .

Dunghill cock raking found the pearl ! <! - ~ 7 ~ -> How tired of these stories about quietly stored for decades in non- antique community grandparents . Grandfather with the war brought . Found in the attic ... Well complete nonsense ... <! - ~ 7 ~ -> There have been isolated cases of course ... twenty years ago ... Yes people can not connected to a bump , and then look for these people long. Oh, those journalists . How to write a good article ... Title : " These masterpieces I find in the garbage !" Just want to add : " absolutely nothing! " <! - ~ 7 ~ -> You will not believe .

[Art-ort]

Should have been called - "Plyushkin-hero of our time" <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[тата]

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Collectors afraid to buy the antique salon

  Often, no cabin of what a collector has an interest , and if it is detected , it is worth the price of wild - that's the reason why a collector can
not buy at " Salon " . And as for the large quantity of fakes , which allegedly scares gatherers - stupidity. Many understand themselves well , besides you can always seek help from the more advanced to what
or area, collectors and experts. Excellent in all impossible
understand.

Сообщение от Artem

After the completion of the official part , I talked to the collector who , for obvious reasons, would prefer not to advertise their name .

What kind of understandable reasons? Many well-known collectors openly give interviews and talk about the problems of the market is also not incognito. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

Сообщение от Artem

I try to buy from people who are not associated with an antique community. This is where all tied and can not vouch for the purity of things.

  On its own judges , hobnob with anyone is not necessary, but most studies to understand for other collector 's reputation and professionalism - these are not empty words.

 

Сообщение от Artem

I do not want to say that at the Salon all completely fake. I believe that the big things , the ones that are published in the catalog of the Salon , genuine. But the lower segment , cheap things , God knows who wrote .

  There are two extreme forms of phobias , some collectors:
 1) Everywhere mereschatsya some masterpieces. <! - ~ 1 ~ ->
 2) I am surrounded by some fake. <! - ~ 2 ~ ->


 

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I personally collect recently , about seven years old, and I try to focus on their own feelings . One look at the work and feel that it stands for history, look at the other - and her emptiness .

  
Full mysticism - what is the story dragged , emptiness. No, you have to write simple - backed by experience and flair knowledge .

 

Сообщение от Artem

When I first started out, I bought a bunch of fakes. Now that is a little grown expert in this matter , I understand how to look for masterpieces .

  Well, it certainly vividly describes the interviews.

 

 

Сообщение от Artem

I refer to those who buy at the Salon shopkeepers ... I mean, here buy only newcomers - shopkeepers, not related to art, who want to boast to friends or clients of the acquisition .

  Different people buy up to the summit gathering - sorry I do not write the names of many forum users know these collectors.

[Карамель]

Сообщение от acetate

  
There are two extreme forms of phobias, some collectors:
 
1) Everywhere mereschatsya some masterpieces.
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->
 
2) I am surrounded by some fake.
<! - ~ 2 ~ ->

terribly pleased))))


so ... where to purchase:

1) Everywhere mereschatsya some masterpieces.


after:

2) I am surrounded by some fake.
 
<! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[тандем]

Сообщение от Artem; 3067651 "

..... Also , prices are often over-ambitious Salon : item is worth five thousand, and sell it for 500 .

It turns out that Salon allowed only on production of a certificate from the mad house ....
The author - a regular mnogostanochnik modern journalistic profession .
These , as usual, not only in the subject , but also at odds with common sense.

[олег назаров]

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thing is worth five thousand, and sell it for 500.

 
this is a strong promise!

[тата]

Here are some very simple tips for beginning collectors, gives the author ....

Tips for novice collectors ..
Investing in art, it seems , are so complex that only a manageable art critics. Whether or not to start, if he does not understand , and knowledgeable friends not?
In fact, among collectors and investors almost no professional art or people with specialized education .


To confess : the cost of entry in a serious investment collectibles today is so high that is available only to people pertaining to the business , asset management , and their heirs. In this case, management is more than art history : the ability to absorb important educated opinions and make decisions , but also the subject necessarily have to delve deeply.


Collecting never taught . No university , where he teaches how to understand the sixties , "Paris School" or the Impressionists , where they teach and understand the bargain value of periods . There is hardly any textbooks, which lists the names of the "right" experts , galleries and customs brokers. Road to study the subject of collecting all about the same: reading profile of literature , visiting exhibitions, chat with art dealers and independent shopping experience ..


One of the rules : do not unconditionally trust securities, a variety of expert opinions . In fact , the expertise, the country is now reputation . Legal expert does not bear responsibility , ie it has the full right to make mistakes with impunity . Therefore, the market expertise proved compromised " proplachennymi " conclusions. How, then, to cope ?


There is a narrow circle of experts (specializing in one or two artists ) , whose opinion is highly regarded in the market. Experienced collectors can be quite alone their words. Conversely known experts whose positive conclusions about the authenticity of a lack of attribution of works. Can you imagine it? And the thing is like no doubt , and the conclusion is positive, but signed as "wrong" expert that sell work with such a paper would be more difficult . Knowledgeable buyer will be expected to catch.
Expertise, of course, essential , especially for expensive works , but you need to take responsibility for the choice of an expert ( for assistance can be accessed , for example , the profile picture ) .

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It should also be borne in mind that for most of the first names exist advised funds , the conclusion of which is the final and only recognized - such as Chagall Committee , funds Jawlensky , Kandinsky , etc. However, this is not the field for novice investors . We also know that one of the most frequently counterfeited Russian avant-garde trends is the first third of the XX century , especially the revolutionary vanguard (Suprematism, etc.) - things have global significance. Collecting them is already top class collectibles, which requires the highest professional competence and flair , so newcomers to the pores of the vanguard is better not to dream.


Why risk fearing for authenticity, if you can buy work at prestigious auctions ? There's something for sure everything is checked ...
Auction does not guarantee against " falshaka ." Such transactions are not uncommon , though they are not intentionally . Auctions are trying to protect consumers from surprises as they can . And what can they do? After auctions just rely on the documents on official expert opinion . On the complexities associated with this, we have just described . Still hold an exhibition before the auction , where you can come with your expert. But nothing is guaranteed , too .


Happen "punctures ". Item bought in a decent place , brought to Russia and here - a failure on the examination. Severe case . Back to the auction house will be paired with a variety of painful procedures . Will have to prove that their experts were wrong, and your attributed the right . In addition, the burden of the collection of admissible evidence the fake stuff will also have to bear the unfortunate owner.
General advice - do not make a purchase in case of doubt .
Better greatly overpay for the real thing than the "advantageous" to buy a fake . Even too much bought the original ever catch up and surpass its price, becoming more expensive.


Walk to museums , long look at the scripts you beloved artist. This will help you to understand many things . Trust your eyes , taste, and the first impression.
Do not overestimate the value of certificates: not based on convincing arguments conclusion confirms the confidence only an expert, if not his immorality .
Go to the sellers themselves in advance to make an idea about them . Do not wait until you bring " exactly what you like ," just now discovered in the attic.
Do not chase the big names : there are excellent things nobody knows authors.
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Today Russian art of XX century is very popular in Europe. Being as it were on the side of the Western European artistic innovation middle of the last century , the Soviet art has developed its own traditions and developed separately . In the nineties of XX century domestic and foreign collectors were able to take a fresh look at this unique period of development of the Russian school of painting.


Since then, interest in the works of masters of the Soviet period has been steadily increasing . " Young wealthy supporters minimalist design , along with postmodern opus contemporary artists can be found painting Socialist Realism unexpectedly in harmony with the style of hi-tech - says Leonid Shishkin gallerist . - This fashion , apparently , is under the influence of their Western partners , long the Soviet impressionism in the category of investment attractive art form . "


Soviet painting is a history of defunct state, and it's always going to promote price growth ...
Before our eyes, the Soviet art gradually became part of the antiques. And many have already started to evaluate it precisely with antikvarskih , market , museum items , rather than ideological positions .


Author: Eugene Ivanov. ( Professionals site . Ru )