On ethics in the art business

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Dear colleagues, have long wanted to discuss a piquant question concerning the pricing of paintings.
In recent times more and more frequently expressed the view that Russia is actively formed (if not already formed), the civilized art market, but quite often things happen, in my opinion, contrary to the minimal ethical standards.
Here are two rather glaring examples.
A few years ago on the Moscow market was submitted to a sufficiently large number of works unusually prolific artist V. Vasin. His works have been proposed in many galleries specializing in art of the Soviet period, and we must say, the prices were roughly similar: from 400-500 dollars for a small sketches to 1 500 - 2 500 for average work. As far as I know, the promotion of a serious artist that no one involved (although in specialized journals and articles came out about his life and work), but it is intuitive, nice looking and relatively affordable works enjoyed popularity among a fairly stable range of clients. And everything was stable up until the auction house "Sovkom not begun to organize their own" direct sales ", which Vasin's paintings were offered for ... 80-200 dollars. Of course, these tenders exhibited mostly quite weak sketches and drawings, but as they say a precedent has been established and the sale of his works in small galleries and dealers almost rose - indeed, anyone want to "overpay"?
Second case: in 2004-05. One gallery was assembled a large collection of works by the artist Porphyry Lebedev. Was carried out huge research work, published an album, several solo exhibitions, received widespread coverage in the central TV channels and in major publications (not only specialized), his name was often uporeblyatsya in professional circles, which, of course, was reflected in pricing. The works of this artist have been purchased by many collectors (both individuals and organizations). Also in 2006, his paintings were exhibited at auction Sovkoma with the corresponding estimate: - from 2 500 dollars for studies up to 20 000 for large-scale work. And in recent studies Lebedev appeared at auctions of the same Sovkoma on ... $ 300!
What can I say about this? Sovkom deliberately destroys the market? Cases in this auction house is so bad that they are ready to throw off the picture for any money? How can we evaluate this situation from the perspective of business ethics?

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Сообщение от passers 304875

on these trades mostly exhibited rather weak sketches and drawings

  And what is the problem for the weak of the weak-tseny.Za large, creative works (oil on canvas) price may be ten times vyshe.Smysl your message did not understand .. "SOVCOM more to do nothing as the" cascade " prices Vasin and Lebedev?
This topic was discussed many times (if not to touch the fakes).
Art dealers, auction houses often with the purchase of paintings by artists, heirs immediately bought 100-300 works, of which 10-20 are large works (oil on canvas), the remaining preparatory drawings and sketches (which are the heirs, the artists offer almost nothing), hence the wide spread of prices, if you have a 2.3 figure Lebedeva You'll sell them expensive, but if the 200? meaning they accumulate in the warehouse, the more profit "Sovkom receives from sales.
Is very simple ..

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Сообщение от passers 304875

How can we evaluate this situation from the perspective of business ethics?

And what was with the "business ethics"?
Sovkom is the same auction. It only assumes the price of care possible, and buy some buyers.
So in the room did not have a sufficient number of willing that any trades, things went from 300.
This is just shows the true value of this painting at that particular moment.
Not Sovkoma be pro bisnes-ethics to ask, but for those gallerists that in the silence of other consumers' vparivayut "your goods in, as shown by auction sales, higher prices.
And the second. Sovkom works with deliverers and can not start with 1000, if enough deliverer 200. Yes, and forecasts for the care Sovkom makes very precise, known for its audience, its possibilities, tastes ...

Сообщение от passers 304875

Sovkom deliberately destroys the market?

You look at their Sovkome auction calendar. Can such a number of auctions of paintings "tear down" the market?

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

Sovkom works with deliverers and can not start with 1000, if enough deliverer 200

SOVCOM himself puts starting prices, and if the deliverer did not agree, then they are denied deliverer. And if the deliverer offers good things together for $ 200, then SOVCOM he gets them, and they do not get to the auction. If it does not fall soon. I guess so naturally.

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Сообщение от Samvel

I guess so naturally.

But do not expect, need-to know.
Chat with this auction, offer them something and learn how, what, for how much.
Sovkom is not on the moon ...

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

But do not expect, need-to know.
Chat with this auction, offer them something and learn how, what, for how much.
Sovkom is not on the moon ...

I talked a lot and not only with SOVKOMOM, and Gelos, and Shishkishym, and RGI, and with all the Kiev auction houses, and etektronnoy mail, and sometimes in reality. None of them favorable to dialogue, and externally and in content. I myself very shy and nediplomatichen, but even they apparently do not know the. I worked hard on the markets, different in Moscow, selling all, from ice cream to meat products, and the work he knew the market inside, because there goes all my day. There are categories of people who went wandering through the market and looked for newcomers, or naive, that would rob him, it was their job, and the entire market of course know these guys. So people's faces, their behavior in these auction houses are very similar to the faces of these guys. This is my personal view on this market, I'll be bad.

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Сообщение от Samvel

I worked hard on the markets, different in Moscow, selling all, from ice cream to meat products, and the work he knew the market inside, because there goes all my day.

This experience you "spoiled", apparently.
I absolutely, completely different, the impression of operators art market. Yes, I myself dealer. : eek:

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Сообщение от Samvel

, and sometimes in reality.

Ridiculous wrote ...

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzransky

But do not expect, need-to know

And then what it means to be aware of. I would say do not know, but have little doubt that znash. Here you say yesterday that in a single thin ranking nets no prices, and said so positively, as a bud-then you know it is 100%, but there really is a price in the old and new, so the question is better than knowledge.

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You said yesterday that in a single thin ranking nets no price

In those books, rankings that I had not had any price.
These ratings with new numbers on the cover go almost every year.
Maybe in the new and have prices. I'm new and do not even see, not interesting already.
I did this and wrote.
I also like the favorite motto of Karl Marx : "All the brothers in question". But in today's experience Why should I doubt?
I, for example, know date of his birth. You can, of course, and it no doubt, but the passport is written is the I know.

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I would say do not know, but have little doubt that znash

It is necessary, but do not dwell on it.
Sometimes it is necessary to go on a break and not think about it, but certainly not doubt the success.
That's me about the work on the art market.

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I think that in this case is somewhat incorrect to speak of gallery owners, quietly selling works of art at exorbitant prices. When the dealer invests heavily in PR specific artist (do not forget about the restoration of quality and design) the price of his works, of course, raises, and the proportion invested money. Of course, dealers, earning the "throwing" works of art, such things are not particularly think. And what do you think should be a feeling person who has invested quite a lot of money in the promotion of the artist's, when for no reason, without rhyme or reason to the market throw the works of this artist dumped?
Returning to the question of ethics I have described situations. Perhaps my understanding of the market, shall we say, naive, but the representative of the auction house, such as a dustpan in my opinion, should be "in the subject and have an idea of how large projects are being implemented in certain market segments, and somehow correlate their pricing policies with these realities.