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Старый 30.09.2013, 16:13 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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По умолчанию 80 years old Ilya Kabakov

80 years ago in the city of Dnepropetrovsk born artist Kabakov [/URL].
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40 years ago, he became my stepfather. It was an interesting time : the Soviet government during the Brezhnev years, is still not ready to tolerate the existence in the country of other genres of art but of socialist realism , but the people endowed with the official status of "Soviet Artist" in every way she holila , nurtured and cajoled . In some other reality, this would lead to the existence of two disparate art communities: the official and the underground . But in those days , when the culture hero and became a symbol of an era SS Max Otto von Shtirlits [/URL], successfully combines impeccable service with the Fuhrer relentless struggle against German fascism, members of the underground art and officially recognized by the art elite , with a few exceptions , have time to exist in both statuses . This applied not only artists, but also writers, and directors, and even , strange to say , Soviet journalists . Before lunch they worked for quite officially astronomical fee to the state, and in the afternoon creating paintings and graphics, wrote lyrics and produced films " on the table " with no hope of ever submit their works to the Soviet viewer or reader , but with the risk of trouble to amass every time when about their work someone spoke approvingly abroad.
Ilya Kabakov's workshop in the attic of the house "Russia" Boulevard, Building 6/1 [/URL], now there Institute of Contemporary Art) in those years was the mecca of the informal Soviet art. Evenings in the living room under the lamp and sang Okujava Bachurin , read their texts Sapgir , Prigov Rubinstein , Sorokin and Lemons , arranged the underground (although it would be more accurate to say - Garret ) show banned in the USSR, painting and drawing. Frequent guests were foreign diplomats and journalists , writers, art critics and collectors of contemporary art. Naturally , the Committee of State Security does not have any " enters the flat " to his attention in the yard , taking turns on duty inconspicuous men in civilian clothes , telephones 24x7 obeyed , and all the letters come to our home address on the envelope had a red stamp " from abroad delivered in its damaged state . " Members gatherings regularly invited " to talk" in a large building opposite the " Children's World " , offered cooperation. However, one is not only not planted and exiled , but did not even lose their jobs . Ilya Kabakov, like many of his comrades in the shop , was the Union of Artists of the USSR , his studio in the house " Russia " was officially it is framed as a cooperative apartment in the "Fine Arts" . Publishing House " Children's Literature" huge numbers of books published , which he illustrated , and the fee for registration of a single page A5 in these books (watercolor, on which the artist took 3-4 hours ) exceeded the monthly salary of a Soviet engineer , a doctor or a teacher. For example , here is a reversal of this book "The Train of poems " cost " Detgiz " (as the old memory for a long time everyone called renamed publishing house ) of 240 rubles of 1974 :
For those who do not remember prices in 1974 , adding that the taxi fare was worth at that time 10 cents per landing and a further 10 per kilometer in the tram - 3 pennies in a trolley - 4 , in the subway, bus and water bus - 5 cents. A glass of fruit ice cream cost 7 cents, popsicle - 21 pound loaf of white bread - 18. A ticket to the cinema or to the stadium cost the same 10 cents as the kilometer by taxi. Kilowatt- hour of electricity costs about 2 pennies for owners of electric stoves and 4 cents for those who prepared on gas burners . The road was only vodka - from 3r62kop to 4r12kop for half-liter , but the vodka in our house for some reason did not drink .

Man , he was not at those times , it may seem that life in Stirlitz of creative workshops in the days of Brezhnev's stagnation was paradise : Mandelstam's fate and Babel, Pilnyak and Harms, Meyerhold and Michoels , no longer shining , hunger and poverty , they did not know they all had flat , workshop , summer house and car , for two months in a year to every member of the creative union provided free ticket to the house of creativity ( in the remaining 10 months of the same voucher worth 3 rubles per day), many even released a couple of weeks abroad for " exchange of experience " with colleagues from the Soviet bloc . But that 's how these strange , creative people that many of their cage or gold , the lack of freedom to them any more terrible poverty and disease. The attitude to his Kabakov to the legal status of the Soviet , it is easy to understand from the album, performing the strongest impression on me in the mid-1980s :
Critics , of course, see here a complex and universal message of kontseptualistichesky , with references to Bakhtin's Rabelais and culture, the opposition of the sacred and the profane , and on ad nauseam. But it is enough to compare this list of albums from the previous illustration to understand the extent to which personal and literal was the message addressed to bears and birds , the berries and mushrooms, which are drawing to a quarter of a century and was the main official website of creative disciplines .

Of course, as soon as his guard Soviet authorities allowed the 53 -year-old Ilya Kabakov first time in my life to go into the capitalist abroad - on a three-month scholarship in creative Austrian city of Graz, at the invitation of there the art school - the same day he gave up on all my machines , apartments, shops , a guaranteed income and official status , gathered their belongings and left the USSR in the dark , no looking back . In the sixth decade of successful member of the Moscow Union of Artists of the USSR , does not speak on any non-Russian language other than Yiddish children's remains , without a hint of regret became homeless vagabond , wandering through unfamiliar countries and continents, on official corners, a scholarship for a scholarship . This happened even before the fall of the Iron Curtain and for 10 years before the Special Part of the Criminal Code of the Russian vanished article [/URL], which states :

Treason , that is an act intentionally committed by a citizen of the USSR to the detriment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity or public safety and defense of the USSR [...] escape abroad or failure to return from abroad to the Soviet Union -
shall be punished by imprisonment for a term of ten to fifteen years with confiscation of property or the death penalty and confiscation of property .

I was then 20 years old, and must confess to you that my stepfather's life choices does not surprise me . As soon as he came out of oVIRa card with an invitation to pay a fee of 200 rubles and pick up a passport with an exit visa three months , I realized that now he would leave , and never come back . I did not understand only one thing: how could so lopuhnutsya Soviet power , leaving every half-century gilded cage door is not locked ...

Happy Birthday , Uncle Elijah . Do you long years of good health .



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This was an exciting time : the Soviet government during the Brezhnev years, is still not ready to tolerate the existence in the country of other genres of art but of socialist realism , but the people endowed with the official status of "Soviet artist , " she strongly holila , nurtured and cajoled .
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This was an exciting time : the Soviet government during the Brezhnev years, is still not ready to tolerate the existence in the country of other genres of art but of socialist realism , but the people endowed with the official status of "Soviet artist , " she strongly holila , nurtured and cajoled .
Kabakov was, just , one of those oblaskanyh . "Studio in the attic Russia " is the largest and most elegant shops in Moscow. Wanted more ?
One said in an interview , Kabakov literature, because many years was the editor of children's books. I do not see the connection , I can see the emptiness and the attempts of originality is not very original . Political motives are gone and there is nothing left . Emptiness .
Help - Kabakov over the years of the Soviet Union illustrated about 75 children's books , collections , and children's magazines and anthologies (" Murzilka ", " Fun ", " asterisk ", " year round "). He worked on illustrations for 3-6 months a year, with the rest being paid their own projects .
I'm not trying to get anything in this edition of Be- contributed les yet . All of cronyism .




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Старый 30.09.2013, 17:30 Язык оригинала: Русский       #3
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I wanted more?
Of course . He wanted freedom, the freedom to create and " on the same day, he pulled the plug on all their cars , apartments, shops , a guaranteed income and official status , gathered their belongings and left the USSR in the dark , no looking back . On the sixth decade of successful a member of the Moscow Union of artists of the USSR , not speaking on any non-Russian language other than Yiddish children's remains , without a shadow of regret became homeless vagabond , wandering through unfamiliar countries and continents, on official corners, a scholarship for a scholarship ".
I understand that some artists were not familiar with such a desire for freedom or under the Soviet regime , nor later - currently sitting on a chair smoothly and just talk with them about money : how to sell , where to sell , whom to sell . <! - ~ 7 ~ ->



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Of course . He wanted freedom, the freedom to create and " on the same day, he pulled the plug on all their cars , apartments, shops , a guaranteed income and official status , gathered their belongings and left the USSR in the dark , no looking back . On the sixth decade of successful a member of the Moscow Union of artists of the USSR , not speaking on any non-Russian language other than Yiddish children's remains , without a shadow of regret became homeless vagabond , wandering through unfamiliar countries and continents, on official corners, a scholarship for a scholarship ".

I know so many artists do not have such a familiar desire for freedom under Soviet neither power nor later - currently sitting on a chair smoothly and just talk with them about money : how to sell , where to sell , whom to sell . <! - ~ 7 ~ ->
Freedom of what?
I do not believe that I left and everything , he certainly promised mountains of gold . He's in the studio who just did not have all the diplomats . Now, please do the new installation, with a door . Emptiness . All this was already bored !



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Not all experts are optimistic about the investment: price may fall , predicts vice- president of the International Confederation of antique and art dealers Michael Perchenko : "Prices reach of crazy - up to half a million or even a million dollars. But this conceptual artist , for there to pay? For the mug that hangs on a hook ? Investments in modern painting - it's a lottery : Roman Abramovich wants to play the lottery - let it play. Let them play with Kabakov . I believe that all this is exaggerated figures , and the prices of their paintings will collapse . "


After the next show in 1987, Kabakov has decided not to return to the Soviet Union , and immediately received a grant from the Austrian Association Graz ¸ and then a scholarship by the French Ministry of Culture .



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Not all experts are optimistic about the investment
A vice-president of the International Confederation of antique and art dealers Michael Perchenko expert artinvestitsiyam?

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Investments in modern painting - it's a lottery : Roman Abramovich wants to play the lottery - let it play. Let them play with Kabakov . I believe that all this is exaggerated figures , and the prices of their paintings will collapse . "
The fact that I. Kabakov - world's most famous Russian artist , someone , of course, may not like .
But the fact of global recognition Kabakov and his authority is indisputable.

His works are in the collections of most major museums of contemporary art - at the Museum of Modern Art and the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum in the United States, the Centre Georges Pompidou in France, the Ludwig Museum and the Museum of Modern Art in Germany, the Tate Modern museum in England , and so on , it it frequently takes part in the most prestigious exhibitions of his work are closely watching the famous art historians and art critics , the prices of its products are expressed in the six-figure dollar amounts are building a museum in Germany Kabakov .




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​​A vice- president of the International Confederation of antique and art dealers Michael Perchenko expert artinvestitsiyam ?


The fact that I. Kabakov - the most famous in the world of Russian artist , someone , of course, may not like .
But the fact of global recognition Kabakov and his authority is indisputable.

His works are in the collections of most major museums of contemporary art - at the Museum of Modern Art and the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum in the United States, the Centre Georges Pompidou in France, the Ludwig Museum and the Museum of Modern Art in Germany, the Tate Modern museum in England , and so on , it it frequently takes part in the most prestigious exhibitions of his work are closely watching the famous art historians and art critics , the prices of its products are expressed in the six-figure dollar amounts are building a museum in Germany Kabakov .
What kind of work are Kabakov in these museums ? What about the price and I'm waiting for sales and probably can not wait for a response. Words, words . You also say the serious people . Words to deeds not sew .



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"In the list of 500 best-selling contemporary artists 5 of the top 10 places for the Chinese, their fees are tens of millions of dollars. And the only Russian S.Faybisovich - on the 480th place."



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What are Kabakov's work in these museums ?
For example, at the Centre Georges Pompidou is a famous installation " A man who flew into space from his room ( apartment ) ".
This work can now look at the exhibition " Utopia and Reality . El Lissitzky , Ilya and Emilia Kabakov ", which was brought after the Hermitage in Moscow Multimedia Art Museum, and where does it go on in Graz, Austria .
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As for prices and sales , and I look forward to probably can not wait for a response .
Are you kidding me ? I here a hundred times the price you gave , they could have learned by heart . <! - ~ 11 ~ ->
All , " Come on, goodbye ! ". <! - ~ 7 ~ ->


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" In the list of 500 best-selling contemporary artists 5 of the top 10 places for the Chinese, their fees are tens of millions of dollars. And the only Russian S.Faybisovich - on the 480th place. "
A Kabakov now and do not need the auction sale , he flew a lot higher than any commercial enterprise , is already there , in the great Areopagus .

Much Kabakov installation at the Venice Biennale in 2001 called " In the future do not take all ".
These words , sunken into the soul of the artist , said his teacher MSHSH .
And, it seems , is still Kabakov systematically doing its best to take it into the future .
And he succeeded.
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Are you kidding me ? I've been a hundred times the price you gave , they could have learned by heart .
Everything, " Come on, goodbye ! " .
Wash like the promotion of his man caught in a trouble - Kantor. Abramovich , Bakshtein ...
Cantor bought at auction Beetle - Kabakov , shish , Abramovich bought the collector opyat.mimo . Install anti-Russian and empty , worthless . Great good to say.
There is nothing to prove , nothing to say.
This is an example attempts to spin a loser . That's what the promotion .



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