Local /international artist

[Konstantin]

One of the themes sounded consideration:

My idea is simple: more than 2 zillion for a local artist against a hundred thousand for a global artist - looks like something ridiculous .

Prompting the question :

please explain , these local and global artists .

And some answers :

What is there to understand ? One - the artist only for internal use and is unlikely to start acquired, such as the British or the French (well, for the money of course) , and the second as a representative of the " Russian avant-garde of the early 20th century " may and should be utilized by all (and this is the whole world ) experts in this field . In this case, nothing offensive in this formulation, there is no question .

and

And what , this , a special " genetic trait " in the work of Shishkin ? ? One of the many members of the German , the Dresden school of academic painting ! All Russian academics , came not from the iconography or folk art ( in its 18 - 19veka was not), but from the Archaic - European academic art. Maybe I got confused ? !

if you wish to continue the discussion - please.

[тандем]

There is a generally accepted definition - the demand and popularity.

Local /international artist?
This is the translator Google?
In any case, does not sound in Russian.

[Konstantin]

Topic occurred here.

[ANATOLY]

If Russian buys Russian artist at Western auctions then - art global , and if on the inside , it mestichkovy . The buyer bought a painting by an unknown artist for $ 500 and the hype over it was not observed, and all of a sudden accident experts state that it is a picture of genius. And it begins: as written, brilliantly , what smear, what colors , and before that it was not written with talent ?

[I-V]

Сообщение от ANATOLY; 2629511 "

If the Russian buys Russian artist at Western auctions then - art global

I do not agree , because it is , on the contrary , an important sign of " locality " of the artist.

Сообщение от ANATOLY; 2629511 "

Buyer bought a painting by an unknown artist for $ 500 and the hype on it is not observed , and all of a sudden experts accident establish that this is a picture of genius. And it begins: as written, brilliantly , what smear, what colors , and before that it was not written with talent ?

I mean - accident? They walked and stumbled on a picture , woke up - a masterpiece ! <! - ~ 7 ~ ->

[sergejnowo]

Сообщение от IV

I mean - by accident?
They walked and stumbled on a picture, woke up - see: a masterpiece?

yes, almost.

If a version of "The Scream" by Edvard Munch, to throw to the pile

junk at a flea market, not the fact that even an expert eye to recognize a masterpiece.

Added after 10 minutes
here the whole opus:

http://forum.artinvestment.ru/showthread.php?t=206221

When you look at the museum for his work, without such calculations in his hands, feeling no no.

Ms of si-pi-no, half-mad opus of a century ago.

The truth is that the essence of <! - ~ 1 ~ ->

[artcol]

Shoto I ponel explain guru Timkov, Kugach, Tkachev, Stazharau - it lokalizovannyya Ali mezhdunarodnyya?


A Goncharov, Falk, Drevin?
This kakiya?
Lokalizovannyya?

[I-V]

Сообщение от sergejnowo; 2629581 "

If a version of "The Scream " by Edvard Munch , to throw to the pile
junk at a flea market, not the fact that even an expert eye to recognize a masterpiece .

Of course, not a fact. It is even less clear how this

Сообщение от ANATOLY; 2629511 "

accident experts state that it is a picture of the genius

the buyer , who

Сообщение от ANATOLY; 2629511 "

bought a painting by an unknown artist for $ 500

?

But after such a stories fewer and fewer believe in the miraculous discovery of "naive buyers " <! - ~ 7 ~ - >

And after of, you know - "accidents " in the examination no more than in any other matter requiring high accuracy .

[Магнолия]

This theme, highlighted by Constantine, there was disagreement with the opinion of the IV

Сообщение от I-V; 2628501"

In short, my idea is simple: more than 2 zillion for a local artist against a hundred thousand for a global artist - looks like something ridiculous.

To natural definitions of local and global artists agreed pretty quickly. However, the substitution of the word "global" to "international" (in the name of the topic) is not entirely correct, as it is believed that when participating in any matter of two or three countries, this issue can be called international. Here, under the definition of "global artist" invited him to understand the relevance of painting almost in every country.

Now the value of the local and global patterns. On the one hand, IV thinks logically: at the global picture is more of auction buyers, and thus higher bid price. On the other hand, not all the paintings are comparable, what have

Сообщение от bykinist; 2627901"

This is about how to compare Tolstoy's "War and Peace" or Turgenev's "Fathers and Sons", I do not know, for example with the "Children of the Arbat" Rybakov.

Does the locality or on the global picture of the nature of the auction? Well, yes and no. It seems to be outlandish when bidding on the auction takes place, "overflow" into the global. But in reality, the determining factor is the buyer's need of aesthetic satisfaction (naked commerce does not count!). It was then, and it was suggested:

Сообщение от Magnolia; 2629141"

always believed that aesthetics is derived from genetics people. And it turns out that it is possible to measure the local-global currency.

Let me explain: Let's say I Slavjanka with tight purse, do not like either the east or African art, buy Russian paintings, and still enjoy all your favorite Dutch and buy them; auction, which shows the extent of my local-global aesthetic needs.

Question auction estimates strange manner of writing (question about Barvikha Shishkin) I do not touch, although I suppose that borrowed letter - it's way into the globality. So, if I (Russian) I will write a pagoda "the oriental", then I think that the demand and the price of the east
will be higher. So what? I created a global picture, and genetics for the buyer is local?


In short, the price comparability of local and global patterns, in my opinion, depends on the tastes of specific customers.

[Кирилл Сызранский]

Сообщение от Magnolia ; 2630421 "

I Slavjanka with tight purse

Very funny.
Something like " me Ibero- Romancev with a huge bank account ".
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Сообщение от Magnolia ; 2630421 "

buy Russian painting

If you are pro - Shishikin Aivazovsky , it is not " Russian painting ", a painting by Russian artists . With the exception of the avant-garde of the first quarter (well , maybe one-third) of the twentieth century , the whole " Russian painting " - repeat Western Europe.