Should we discuss the correctness of the rating of Russian artists in the real art of the site? - Форум по искусству и инвестициям в искусство

Art-Galera · 28.01.2012, 01:12

Rothko, Kandinsky, Chagall, Lempicka, Soutine, Jawlensky, Baranov, Rossini, etc., etc.??
The question of mootness and the correctness of the ratings of Russian artists have repeatedly been raised. And here's another question: should we not build a conference-debate, debate both online, and, in fact, somewhere off-line. In my opinion, this topic for discussion at a major art site? In principle, we would be interested to assist and contribute to the organization and coverage of this event ...

The site had many discussions and heated. Now, I'm afraid I can not find a descent all. If anyone remembers, knows how to look for - and here I beg to throw in the subject. There DimaB, I remember about 12 artists raised the subject, etc.

But more recently, an updated ranking of AI posted here:
http://artinvestment.ru/invest/ratin...227_itogi.html
Later, I heard on FM discussion Kommersant rating of just Artinvestment http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1853969
one of the last "entertainment" organized by rating your leisure
"33 most expensive paintings of Russian artists"
http://www.vashdosug.ru/msk/exhibition/article/68156/
and then turned around and a little discussion (though not the first nor the last in the social. network)

but it's the crumbs, of course. Nor are they

My question to the forum users: Do you consider it necessary to gather experts and organize such a discussion? And whom would you most authoritative experts you invited to this event?

Кирилл Сызранский · 28.01.2012, 01:20

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Should we discuss the correctness of the ranking of Russian artists on the REAL art site ?

But why?

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Rothko , Kandinsky , Chagall, Lempicka , Soutine, Jawlensky , Baranov , Rossini , etc., etc. ???

These artists are Russian in origin , some of them consider our own, Russia - "Russian" , someone does not think so .
To solve this dispute once and for all ?
But it can not be resolved and why is it necessary?
That the solution to this dispute may give some problem to solve? I do not see any problem and controversy on this subject do not feel productive.
The dispute here, I=discussion = discussion , etc.

DimaB · 28.01.2012, 01:32

You know, Cyril, each media makes up the ratings on its own.
Not the fact that there are sitting real professional.
Imagine if we all

got together and decided that our DouDzhons will look exactly the way)))

Art-Galera · 28.01.2012, 01:43

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To solve this dispute once and for all?
But it can not be resolved and why it's necessary?

Cyril! I, basically, and even agree with you. I'm quiet, peaceful dispute with DimaB periodically for a long time ... and all the same and we are left to his own opinion ...
Here's a bit inspired me to discuss the feasibility of such an event that different media - and in fact there is not just sitting pros who somehow can justify their position ... and even the professionals are different opinions ... but those who annually mold some ratings, refer to them, etc., etc. and from what, in principle, they still push off, if everyone in your opinion?

Posted 3 minutes

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You know, Cyril, each media makes up the ratings on its own. Not the fact that there are sitting real professional. Imagine if we all
got together and decided that our DouDzhons will look exactly )))

That's it. formulated a business as usual - clearly. that really there to talk. and maybe also to highlight the theme here in the most contentious issues and family ... and clearly, you know how? Well, of course, if the theme will be supported.

Кирилл Сызранский · 28.01.2012, 02:05

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media makes up each of these ratings in their own way .

Since ratings expected to discuss or national origin of Russian artists, where " nationality" meant citizenship , not ethnicity or place of birth ? What?
I may not have understood the essence of the proposed discussion.

Konstantin · 28.01.2012, 11:02

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media makes up each of these ratings in their own way. Not the fact that there sat these PROFESSIONALS.

Ok let's talk.
Why we do.
1. Because it's interesting, especially to those who came for the first time.
2. Rough understanding of the pricing is already possible to draw up, for example if

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Vasily Vereshchagin. Taj Mahal in the evening. 2 [2.28] million pounds

What is clear when for some Styopa Fartuchkina will ask the same, you have to wonder if this is.
3. Rating, and especially his change, the rate of the state of affairs in this area. There are new records for that. We are website and update the investment or not these same records - a signal to the understanding of time to invest or not and in what. Well, there's a lot to write, the idea is clear.
4. A patient who is a Russian problem. For example, some easy to justify what must be regarded as a German Kandinsky, Chagall and French. And the debate on this subject can be to infinity. We took the easy - all born in Russia, you get a rating.

But why should I repeat the tongue-tied that we have already written:

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On the criteria for inclusion in the list of the most expensive works of Russian artists is better not to philosophize. Otherwise, under the argument "how and why it was he who" is able to disperse any design, and not only "a dozen Russian." Just decided. First, participation should only take auction results - not only that they are reliable and accessible, but also usually superior to the objectivity of gallery transaction. Secondly, the question of belonging to the Russian artists were the principal decision: take the place of birth as such. Born in the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union, then, the Russian artist, without allowances for the way in the future fate. For example, the fact that Kandinsky in different years of citizenship and Russian, and German, and he died with the French, not a reason to doubt that the Russian artist. And the third rule: one artist - one picture. That is a situation where, strictly speaking, all the first place would have to take the works of Mark Rothko, are allowed as follows: leave only the most expensive work, and all other results for paintings by this artist ignored. Without this, you will agree, it would be interesting.

Clearly, based on the rating numbers when making investment decisions are not smarter than judge the beauty of wildlife on the achievements of the "Guinness Book of Records." However, one does not interfere, and this curiosity can only be welcomed.

Кирилл Сызранский · 28.01.2012, 12:45

Konstantin, rating of sales is a must.
But it was not such a rating would be:

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media makes up each of these ratings in their own way

Observed numbers of lots of care in the world auction sites are unchanged - where would they not look and no matter what ratings somewhere someone was not : at least in Africa, although in Chukotka.

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patient who is a Russian problem .

So I question the "sick " just do not think so.
And why wrote :

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These artists are Russian in origin , some of them consider our own, Russia - "Russian" , someone does not think so .

fabosch · 28.01.2012, 13:15

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Observed numbers of lots of care in the world auction sites are unchanged - where would they not look and no matter what ratings somewhere someone was not : at least in Africa, although in Chukotka.

The conclusion is - Discussion ratings will be reduced to discuss who should be considered "Russian" or "Russian" artist.
And I think that discussion sooner or later sink to clarify the fundamental issue of our time: " And who are you " with all its consequences .
In any case, it comes down to it most of those even slightly affect the social, ethnic and political issues.

Кирилл Сызранский · 28.01.2012, 13:26

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The conclusion - Discussion ratings will be reduced to discuss who should be considered "Russian" or "Russian" artist .

Absolutely, and I write about it - something that figures to discuss, debate that the multiplication table.

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And I think that discussion sooner or later sink to the elucidation of the fundamental issue of our time: " And who are you " with all its consequences .

A forum for all of this was already a hundred times: Rothko and " Latvian ", Soutine and "Belarus " and Malevich " Ukrainian ."

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Art-Galera · 28.01.2012, 21:34

Ok! I understand the position . Thank you very much for the clear statements of position from the Guru and management portal. Exhaustively and conclusively . Basically, just just wanted to hear opinions to begin with. It is because of the fact that sometimes there are too inaccurate ratings. Of course, I do not mean a professional and well- explained rating AI, we often use , well, even if with some amendments.
And, indeed, every stay at his .
So the topic is removed.

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