Art auctions - a measure of artistic talent?

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Tonight on Channel Culture was another talk show Shvydkova "Cultural Revolution" with the theme of Art Auctions - a measure of artistic talent?

For lighting so interesting (to our forum, in particular), subjects were chosen two party-opponent, two well-known art: on the podium on the left sat Mikhail Kamensky, and right - Dmitry Butkevich.
"Art auctions are there objective criteria for artistic talent?" - That's a question of standing in front of the two opponents.
It was curious, as CEO of the Russian representation of the auction house Sotheby's posted - no, and D. Butkevich, suppressing a smile, his vosproshal: "So what? I understand that there must be others. But what? ".
Seemed to me the whole situation is somewhat comical: the position of Kamensky, the auctioneer was, as I understand it, to convince the public that auctions are the only economic instrument in the promotion of an agent is held to the author, but not the measure of his talent.
A Butkevich reasonably interested in it that "real" measure of artistic talent.
Both, however, agreed that the presence of the artist in the museum an important measure of his talent.

Of course, it was mentioned frequently discussed on the forum "scheme promotion" of the artist: Exhibition - Gallery - Western Show - Western gallery - a museum yes plus Kamensky recalled accept - them. Kandinsky and Innovation, and then to the auction block. It is important to note a thesis Kamensky, then it seems to me, put it is as representative of Sotheby's: "If the artist's works are present in the museum, and the auction of his belongings may be taken".
Butkevich, by the way, so a few words deftly painted a picture of our domestic art market, such as this one I especially remember the time, he was so bright it is shown that all, I think the audience was clearly a great deal.
And the most interesting, of course, was still that everything in the studio know each other a hundred years - and headliners and guests in the studio, as at the end of transmission (also with a smile) concluded Shvydkoi, suggesting that the range of art and how close would have been their own, others will not let go. All there is, of course, smiled. I guess it is true that the most acute, as always purified, the air is not horrible.
Later on, I think this record talk shows poyavisyaea site channel, you will have another look. Curious was the conversation and fun.
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[artcol]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

And the most interesting , of course, was still that everything in the studio know each other a hundred years - and headliners and guests in the studio , as at the end of transmission ( also with a smile) concluded Shvydkoi , suggesting that the range of art and how close would have been their own, others will not let go . All there is , of course, smiled .

Yeah , Novus Ordo Seclorum >

[NATA NOVA]

........ It might help to clarify what is meant by konkretno "talent" ..
(But then again do not know, "that measure our")
Judging from the western auctions (and in my understanding of the talent), they (the auction) are a measure of international demand for works by the artist ... (For his talent, again, in my view, has nothing to do).

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Сообщение от artcol; 1831461"

Yeah, Novus Ordo Seclorum

artcol, from the splendor of your foreign words is "blind eye" ...

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran; 1831341"

exhibition - gallery - Western Show - Western gallery - museum

I wanted to see the concept of "West Gallery" very broadly, from the "framework" to the High Street and to "brand" ..
In general, the rather primitive scheme .. Follow it can get stuck "on certain" step ..
and, moreover, namoy opinion, or rather "foreign" (although after the collapse of the Soviet Union, this may mean more)
I mean, that the East (especially China) has a tremendous opportunity for advancement, arranging the huge number of international exhibitions and competitions at a very attractive terms

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Сообщение от NATA NOVA

........ it might help to clarify what is meant by konkretno "talent" ..
(But then again do not know, "that measure our")
Judging from the western auctions (and in my understanding of the talent), they (the auction) are a measure of international demand for works by the artist ... (For his talent, again, in my view, has nothing to do).

It is a pity (a) we now have no channel "Culture" >
But you said it all right, because the hit of the auction, still depends on a subjective tastes and interests of the organizers auktsiona.I sometimes get there frankly untalented authors. And then the artists are running with the auktsionnikam and poked in it and rejoice that there was my work, just like children. And so very often, as many even funny. And they also think that all .. talented they are and the price, oh, how to begin to pick up their work.
At the expense of getting to the museum (say about our museums), they are the same (artists) give their work, well, now there is no money in museums, and must somehow increase their funds. While under an hour you know, in fig, such garbage will be stored in a museum? One thing is clear that the museum chooses to work themselves better. But this does not mean that if the artist's work came to the museum, it has all the fame)) Although this, too many artists to how many museums bahvalyayutsya.Schitayut their work can be found, are the exact count)))

[mihailovoh]

Will,
Transmission is really interesting and totally agree with the thesis -
" But agreed that the presence of the artist's works in the museum an important measure of his talent. "
And if the artist is represented in the main exhibition of the leading museums , one of the main characters ' measure of talent . "
1 museums have something to compare zritelyu.ne cheat
Two museum workers exposed to low for today's conjuncture vremeni.dlya their art is eternal and priceless.
3 Employees of museums the most experienced professionals. it is to them we turn for advice and expertise.
Would have added another clear sign , participation in exhibitions leading muzeev.a to whom there is not because of TG priglashayut.imeyu Pushkin Russian ....
A " Art Auctions - a measure of artistic talent ? -" Measure of value or as not vlozheniy.no talent.

[artcol]

Сообщение от mihailovoh

A "Art Auctions - a measure of artistic talent?

No, basically promoter > >

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Сообщение от mihailovoh; 1848391"

Added a more explicit sign - participation in exhibitions leading muzeev.a whom there would be no view of the TG priglashayut.imeyu Pushkin Russian ....

If we talk about our art , if the artist's works are in museums and galleries such as the Tretyakov Gallery, Pushkin , Russian Museum, Kiev Museum of Russian Art, preferably all at once , which were acquired prior to the collapse of these museums will SSSR.Eto and measure talent. I'm not saying that after 1980 there fell untalented , just to avoid mistakes . In 90 years there could get different characters , as in all spheres , whether it be art , politics, culture and so on.

Сообщение от will; 1848051"

I wish ( a ) we now have no channel "Culture "

Now it is no longer the channel , which was earlier , but still in this version yet go.

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Сообщение от artcol

No, basically promoter > >

Here, for example, the promoter will be able to push through lack of talent on the lead role in an opera production of, say, La Scala or the Metropolitan Opera, Royal Opera in Stockholm or Berlin Staatsoper?

[artcol]

Сообщение от Cyril Syzran

Here, for example , the promoter will be able to push through lack of talent on the lead role in an opera production of , say , La Scala or the Metropolitan Opera, Royal Opera in Stockholm or Berlin Staatsoper?

La Scala is not the same Sotheby's. Wrong question .
Auction - it's still just a form of organization trade. And the opera - it's an art form.

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Сообщение от Cyril Syzran ; 1848471"

Here, for example , the promoter will be able to push through lack of talent on the lead role in an opera production of , say , La Scala or the Metropolitan Opera, Royal Opera in Stockholm or Berlin Staatsoper?

A few days ago, driving a big prospect read the poster. Dima Bilan, is lead singer and play up to the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, at once reminded of our friend who put in monakko . I am not talking of course about the very mediocrity .