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Старый 21.01.2011, 07:11 Язык оригинала: Русский       #1
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По умолчанию American Hasidim freed from Russian religious library

"Schneerson Library" is a collection of ancient Jewish religious literature, consisting of 12,000 books and 50,000 documents, including 381 of the manuscript. The beginning of this library in the XVIII century, put the head of the community of Hasidic village of Lubavitch Yitzchak Schneerson, the spiritual heirs who now live in the U.S. and represent the religious movement of Chabad. They consider a collection of sacred, that's just kept "Schneerson Library" in Russia, giving it Hasidim no one is going.
In August 2010 Federal District Court in Washington ruled that Russia should return the Chabad of the meeting Schneerson, namely 25 thousand pages of manuscripts. Then Russia's reaction was very hard: in the official Foreign Ministry statement called the ruling "null and void from the legal point of view" and "a flagrant violation of generally accepted norms and principles of international law."

In Russia, the library is kept, since its inception, ie 1772. In 1915, in the midst of the First World War, when the Lubavitch were dangerously close to the front line, a descendant of the founder of the library Yosef Yitzchak Schneerson had left the village and went to Rostov-on-Don. Part of his library - about 12,000 books - he deposited in Moscow. Three years later, this collection was nationalized and soon departed Rumyantsev Library (later the Russian State Library), which stores and now.
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In 1927, Schneerson had left the Soviet Union, taking with them a different part of the library, in total there are about 25 thousand pages of manuscripts. At the beginning of World War II, Schneerson hastily left Poland, where he then was, in the U.S., leaving the library, which eventually fell into the hands of the Nazis. After the war, these documents have been returned to the Soviet Union and placed on file the Red Army (now Russian State Military Archive). In 1950, Yosef Schneerson died, and the case was continued by his son, who led the movement, Chabad, Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
Over the next after that period, until the decision of the American judge on the case of "library Schneerson, the situation has acquired so many details that tell all they can, just not having a sense of pity for the reader. Suffice it to note that the argument for the library began a long time ago and intensified in the early 1990's. Then, after the collapse of the USSR, the Lubavitcher Hasidim staged at the Russian State Library for many pickets and hunger strikes, and they almost succeeded in my goals.
In October 1991, the Supreme Arbitration Court of the RSFSR recognized the legitimate requirements of the Hasidim, and decided to give them a library. However, to protect the assembly stood up, then director of the RSL Victor Derjaguin, who refused to follow the decision of the court, and Culture Minister Nikolai Gubenko. As a result, despite the intervention of the U.S. Senate in February 1992, all decisions regarding the transfer of library Chabad were canceled, and she stayed in Russia. Continuation of the story was a claim Lubavitcher Hasidim in court in Washington, filed in 2006.

Remember once again the situation around the "Schneerson Library" made a recent speech the Minister of Culture of Russia, Alexander Avdeev. In the radio station Ekho Moskvy, he said that this library - the legitimate property of Russia, and added that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against the Russian state, although "under international law the State not have jurisdiction." Moreover, Avdeev develop the theme in an unexpected way, saying that because of this scandal in August 2010, Russian art exhibitions ceased to carry in the U.S..

The minister said the decision was made because there are legal risks for their arrest. However, contrary to the statement Avdeev, October 23, 2010 at the Museum of Russian Icons Massachusetts opened an exhibition from the Museum of icons of Andrei Rublev, which runs until July 25, 2011. Judging from the poster on the site of the American Museum, the icons no one has yet been arrested.

In addition to the object of claims Chabad in Russia has another collection of Hebrew literature, the issue of return is considered at the highest level. This is the library of Baron Gunzburg, a prominent representative of the dynasty Ginzburg, one of the most influential Jewish families in St. Petersburg of the XIX century. Ginsburg died in 1910 and, unlike Schneerson, who left no will, his collection of books and documents ordered to transfer the Jewish Public Library in Jerusalem. But the last will of the baron interrupted to execute first World War, and then the revolution.

As a result, in 1918, a meeting of Baron Ginzburg was also nationalized and transferred Rumyantsev Library. At that time it had about 35,000 works and is considered the second largest collection of Hebrew manuscripts in the world, but in the XX century poumenshilos. However, most of it is still kept at the RSL. The issue of transferring the library Ginzburg Israel raised during the visit of Benjamin Netanyahu in Moscow in September 2009. It was expected that he will be affected and during the visit of Dmitry Medvedev to Israel in January 2011, but the visit was canceled. According to rumors, published in the Israeli media, just because of the library Ginzburg.

Total in Russia are two important meetings for Jewish books and manuscripts, which in the opinion of many, we must return at least for the restoration of historic justice. Difficult to assess, however, where it is, the historical validity. Even harder to imagine that this issue is resolved now, when the "reset" of relations with the United States expressed a fear of sending back art exhibitions.

Access to the Hebrew books to obtain that Chabad is making so much effort, you can get in a specially designated room at the Center for Oriental Literature of the RSL. Library card library will cost just $ 100.
Alex Kadaner
Related Links

    * Minister of Culture has put a condition to return Russian exhibitions in the U.S. - Lenta.ru, 20.01.2011
    * "Looking Out" by Alexander Avdeev - Ekho Moskvy, 01.19.1910
    * Envoy Medvedev - in Israel: not a word about the Jewish treasures - IzRus, 24.12.10
    * Library Schneerson. Help - Reuters, 12/08/1910
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In October 1991, the Supreme Arbitration Court of the RSFSR declared Hasidic legitimate demands and decided to give them a library.
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In August 2010 Federal District Court in Washington ruled that Russia should return the Chabad of the meeting Schneerson, namely 25 thousand pages of manuscripts.
courts took absolutely the right decision ...
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However, to protect the assembly stood up, then director of the RSL Victor Derjaguin, who refused to follow the decision of the court, and Culture Minister Nikolai Gubenko. As a result, despite the intervention of the U.S. Senate in February 1992, all decisions regarding the transfer of library Chabad were canceled, and she stayed in Russia.
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In Russia, the library is kept, since its inception, ie from 1772.
There is some juggling. Prior to 1772, ie to the first section of the Commonwealth, it was the territory of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, as well from 1772 - it's really Russian Empire . Before the revolution of Lubavitch in Mogilev Province. Is now in the Smolensk region.



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По умолчанию The Bells of Moscow St. Daniel Monastery returned from America

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Vekselberg, Russia will return "Danilov Bells"
08.18.2004 /Alexander Petrov

Russian businessman Viktor Vekselberg, who organized the purchase and return to Russia of the famous collection of Faberge Easter eggs, going to resolve the fate of the equally famous bells of St. Daniel's monastery. They return home and take their place at the Belfry oldest monastery in Moscow.
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At the moment, the best bells in Moscow delighting ears of U.S. students overseas, at Harvard (USA). It is known that negotiations on the return of the bells of the Russian Orthodox Church are from 1983. However, they did not lead to the desired result. First of all, this was due to lack of funds needed for transportation of the bells from America to Russia.
This year, the head of "SUAL-holding" Viktor Vekselberg announced his intention to return to Russia once lost the bell. Patronized businessman fund "Link of Times" immediately involved in the negotiation process, and it finally moved off dead center. In the present negotiations, the ongoing Church and representatives of the Fund coming to an end. Our reporter asked the governor Danilov Monastery Archimandrite Alexis (Polikarpov) to learn their results.

- Your Reverence, please tell me how to negotiations on the return from the USA bells from the Belfry Danilov Monastery.

- The bells of the monastery - one of the best to call Russia. Besides, he - one of the few remaining fully. In 1930 the bells were sold by the Soviet government in America. Then they were transferred to Harvard University and hoisted on the tower of Lowell House dormitory.

In 1983, Danilov monastery was handed over to the Church, but then immediately raised the question of the return of the bells at home. Have passed since twenty years. In 1988 the monastery visited by President Ronald Reagan, which discussed the problem of the return of the bells. But, unfortunately, it never moved off dead center.

- What contributed to the revitalization process?

- In 2002, in connection with the preparation for celebrating the 700 anniversary of the death of Prince Daniel of Moscow, the question of the return of the bells was heard with renewed vigor. Created a special commission, headed by Metropolitan Clement, manager of the Moscow Patriarchate. President of Harvard University Lawrence Summers sent a formal letter, when Danilov Monastery organized a special working group to address issues related to returning the bells.

In December 2003, a delegation that I led, visited the United States and met with the leadership of Harvard University. As a result of negotiations, was signed "Joint Statement". In it the Russian side expressed its appreciation for the fact that the bells are in a safe and sound. A university administration recognized that these bells are an integral part of spiritual and cultural heritage of Russia. In this regard, the parties agreed on the urgent need to address the issue of the return of the bells of St. Daniel's monastery.

Of the signed document is also implied that the project will require large cash expenditures. The U.S. side pledged to investigate the tower Lowell House on the subject of whether you want to dismantle our bells. The University also bear the costs of replacing them. All other costs associated with manufacturing a new set of bells to replace the old ones, should take on the Russian side. In addition, the significant costs associated with the suspension at the Danilov bells belfry.
The first phase of work completed, the Americans conducted a study of the tower. Now we have to make a new bell to replace the old and bring them to the States. Naturally, all this is costly.
- Why Fund "Link of Times" engaged in negotiations to return the bells to the monastery? Does the Church may bless this work?

- In February 2004 the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy II has addressed the congregation with a message. It provides, inter alia, that: "The Return of the bells in the ancient Danilov Monastery is an important historic event in the life of the Church and the Russian state, for the will be another symbol of finding once lost beauty and harmony of the spirit". In his message of His Holiness also said that it "expresses its appreciation to all who wish to participate in this noble action."

After this treatment fund "Link of Times" has expressed willingness to participate in this good practice. His Holiness blessed this endeavor. Then the church, along with cultural and historical foundation has begun negotiations to return the bells to their homeland. Noting that both the Fund and the Moscow Patriarchate has taken this process a very active part.

- Who takes the main costs?

- The Victor Vekselberg. That's how officials say the fund in communion with the Patriarch.

- How do you think of the patronage of Vekselberg?

- Of course, only positively. Of course, in the return of the bells involved the Church, and prayer, and a contribution, but still the financial aspect is very significant, so his participation was invaluable.

- It is known, at least tentatively, when the bell finally return to Russia?

- We are looking forward to the success of this large and important to our business. It is still very difficult to say when it will happen. While the new bells will be cast, delivered at Harvard - will be months.

- What does it mean for the monastery bells return to their homeland?

- We do not just return the historical or cultural value. We bring back the church that belongs to her. This is a spiritual and mystical side. The ringing of bells, our ancestors prayed, he preached to Muscovites to love God and love for man. In the monastery's cemetery are buried many famous people for whom offered prayers at this chimes. The return of the bells will be a significant event for Russia.


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Danilov Monastery

12 September (2008), the day of the finding of the relics of St. Prince Daniel of Moscow (1652), at the St. Daniel Monastery Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy II and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has headed the church and community celebrations devoted to the act of transfer St. Daniel Monastery historical ensemble of the Danilov bells are returned to Moscow from Harvard University, USA
Morning at the Trinity Cathedral of St. Daniel Monastery, the celebratory liturgy, which made Metropolitan of Kaluga and Borovsky Clement, managing director of the Moscow Patriarchate, Archbishop Arseny of Istra, Bishop Alexander of Dmitrov. During the Divine Liturgy, Metropolitan prayed Volgograd and Kamyshin Herman.
After the service the procession with the relics of the honest of the Holy Prince Daniel of Moscow was held from Holy Trinity Cathedral in the Monastery Square where you installed the bells returned.

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Then, in the Danilov Monastery profit Patriarch Alexy and President Medvedev.
Having made a prayer service, the Russian Orthodox Church bells thrice he sprinkled holy water.

His Holiness congratulated the participants of celebrations on the remarkable event.
Speech of His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II at the handover ceremony of the bells in the St. Daniel Monastery

Your Excellency, dear Mr. President!
Fellows hierarchs, reverend fathers, my dear father, the governor, distinguished guests, benefactors, dear brothers and sisters!

Blessed and memorable stay in the history of Danilov Monastery in Moscow, and this holiday of the Holy Prince Daniel of Moscow. Today we have the assistance fund "Link of Times" takes on Harvard's priceless gift to us - completely preserved ensemble of the bells of St. Daniel's monastery.

In the hard and difficult 30 years the bells were removed for sale as scrap metal, but found a benefactor in the United States of America, which bought the full ensemble of bells and handed it to Harvard University. The day with prayer and hope we waited more than a year and more than one decade. Now the solemn moment has come. With the exhilarating feeling of joy thanks to God and people, we accept returns shrine.

When you look at the bells in front of our eyes as it passes over dramatic, but nevertheless successfully completed their story. We meet the most famous in Russia and unique-sounding ensemble of ancient bells. It was appreciated in Moscow as one of the best.
I sincerely thank His Excellency President Dmitry, who shared the joy of his participation this historic event. Today, we express our profound gratitude to all project participants, to work in the U.S., and Russia. From now on here at the Danilov Monastery, will always offer prayers to God for all the people whose efforts have created these bells, saved, stored, and returned to Russia.
I would also like to express my confidence that with the assistance fund "Connection Time" preserve the cultural relationship between Harvard University and the Danilov Monastery. It will be a live thread of the memory of those wonderful events, witnesses and participants granted us to be God. God forbid that such joint good works and projects that build trust for each other in our society was becoming more and more - the key to the understanding and building peace and harmony.
Finding and keeping our sanctuary, we will take care of the revival of our souls, that our efforts were fruitful and friendly spirit of God. Let continue harmonious Danilov Monastery bells resonate in our hearts with the voice of God guiding us to the true path to him, inspiring prayer to God, to creation of a good life according to the commandments of Christ.

Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times" Viktor Vekselberg Feliksovich presented to His Holiness the act of donation of the historic ensemble of the bells of St. Daniel's monastery. Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times", Chairman of the Board of Trustees, which is Victor Vekselberg, for five years, provided all phases of the project for the return of the Danilov bells at home.
In turn, His Holiness Patriarch Alexy to hand over documents about the ownership of the ensemble of the Danilov bells vicar of St. Daniel Monastery Archimandrite Alexis (Polikarpov).
At the conclusion ceremony of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian president made a symbolic ringing of a bell.
The ceremony was attended by Metropolitan Clement of Kaluga and Borovsky, Volgograd and Kamyshin Herman, Archbishop Arseny of Istra, Bishop Alexander of Dmitrov, heads of state structures of Russia, a delegation from Harvard University, representatives of the Foundation "The Link of Times", public and charitable organizations, Russian and foreign media , inhabitants of St. Daniel's monastery, the faithful of Moscow.
In the Patriarchal Residence St. Daniel Monastery Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy II and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times" Viktor Vekselberg answered questions the media.
Into account the active participation in the campaign for the return of the historical ensemble of the Danilov bells in the Fatherland His Holiness Patriarch Alexy V. Vekselberg has awarded the Order of St. Sergius, II degree. Acting Director of Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times" VS Voronchenko awarded the Order of St. Vladimir, III degree. Several representatives from Harvard University have been awarded the Patriarchal letters.
Presenting the highest awards of the Church, His Holiness, in particular, said: "I have uttered today, words of gratitude to those who labored, contributed to the fact that this event happened. Once again I want to express my appreciation to all who participated in the return of the Danilov bells. I think for all of us is very important to see how love and joy with which the believer accepts the people returned to Danilov Monastery bells. Not only in Moscow but in St. Petersburg, Novgorod and Tver, where people are sincerely rejoiced the return of relics, which are now transferred to St. Daniel's monastery.

In the near future, newly acquired antique bell will be placed in the bell tower of Danilov Monastery.

The future plans of the participants of the project - initiation of the procedure include the Danilov bells in the list of UNESCO World Heritage Site.
September 12, after the handover ceremony Danilov bells of St. Daniel Monastery, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy and chairman of the Board of Trustees Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times" Viktor Vekselberg Feliksovich answered questions from journalists.
His Holiness Patriarch Alexy: - I think that today a historic event, and I've already said this in his speech. Returned to their home monastery bells, which are more than 80 years were in exile. We are grateful to those who kept these difficult years, but especially grateful to those who helped them to return. We gratefully accept contributions of Victor Feliksovich and his associates, who helped realized this long-awaited event. I think that the relationship between the Danilov Monastery and Harvard remain. Students at Harvard University rang the bell, but it was a shotgun ringing. Only when it came to Harvard in our bell-ringers, American students have learned that the bells can play music. I hope that is not enough U.S. citizens will come here to us to learn to play the bells, and then at home to call for the holidays in those bells that delivered and raised to the belfry at Harvard instead of returning to Russia.

Viktor Vekselberg: - Frequently asked questions: Why? Why? what way? how much money is spent? You know, starting from the day when the bells returned to Russia, during their meeting in St. Petersburg, we saw how ordinary people react to the return of the relics. They approached, bowed, and thanked it - the most valuable reward for us all during those long years of work. Because thanks to the common man for what he is regaining the faith, finds hope, I think, the most expensive - it is a very important part of our lives. I have already said that we are very pleased that our collaboration with the St. Daniel Monastery, together with the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian government managed to bring this matter to an end. It's actually a big holiday light, and so beautifully that there is just such events in our lives today.

Reporter: - Your Holiness, when you have guided the restoration of St. Daniel Monastery, you have assumed that the historic bells will return here in a monastery?

His Holiness Patriarch Alexy: - No, then we could not hope for such, and so we searched for remains of bells across Russia, and found such a bell in one of the closed churches in the Diocese of Yaroslavl. When we came to learn the bells, the people, but they were few in this village, everyone stood up to defend their holy sites, not wanting to part with the bells. Only after them came the priests, who were told that the bells will ring in the first in our country, the restored monastery - Daniel, after that, people lost their bells of the monastery. But now we will return the bells in the Yaroslavl diocese, where there are many temples restored, including the Cathedral of the Assumption Cathedral in Yaroslavl, which also needs to be ringing. We will return the bells of the diocese in which they were taken in more difficult times - in 1983.

Reporter: - Tell me when the bell Danilov Monastery in Yaroslavl diocese will take their place?

His Holiness Patriarch Alexy: - Now we are working on it, I think that within the next month. Have already strengthened the foundation. To remove the old bell, which in the course of the past 25 years, calls to the monastery, and to erect in their place native bells, which 200 years with a break for prayer called the brethren and parishioners of St. Daniel Monastery.
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Article from t. XIV «Orthodox Encyclopedia", Moscow. 2006

Danilov, in the name of St. Daniel Stylites Moscow Monastery (Stavropighial MP ROC), located on the south-east of Moscow. Founded St. faithful. book. Daniil of Moscow.

The history of the monastery grounds. The exact date of foundation DM is unknown. In historical science XVIII - early. XX centuries. occurrence of mon-series are usually dated from a wide chronological framework - the years 1272-1282. At the end. XX century. VA Kuchkin proposed new date of the foundation - 1298-1299 years. Believing that the blessing of the device mon-series and the establishment of Archimandrite Prince of Moscow could be obtained only from the Metropolitan of Kiev and All Russia, and to build a monastery in a favorable political environment to an end their lives (see: Kuchkin. The date of foundation mosk. Danilova Mon-series. pp. 164-166). According to Kuchkina, for the establishment of Archimandrite book. Daniel A. took the move in 1299 from Kiev to Vladimir Met. svt. Maxim.

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It is known that since voknyazheniya Daniil Alexandrovich Moscow ground served the bishops of Rostov. Connection with the Rostov Department can also be found in the descendants of the book. Daniel. From 1274 to 1299 the principality of Moscow, most likely was part of the Vladimir-Suzdal diocese, and the blessing at the base of the monastery could have given the diocesan bishop. It is also impossible to deny the need for device ktitorskogo pilgrimage dedicated to the heavenly patron of the book. Daniel St. Daniel Stylites, and in the early period of his public activities. Therefore, the device is still possible DM previously concentration. 90-ies. XIV century. (Eg, in the 2 nd floor. 70-80-ies. XIII century., During the termination of guardianship over the minor prince from his uncle, the Grand. Book. Tver and Vladimir Yaroslav Yaroslav, and the initial period of independent rule in his inheritance book. Daniel). According to the current pres. time the monastic tradition of the founding date, DM is considered to be in 1282

Topographical situation medieval. Mon-series "holy Daniel» XIII-XIV centuries. in the earliest written sources indicated vaguely - "beyond the river" (Priselkov MD Trinity Chronicle. text reconstruction, Moscow, Leningrad, 1950. S. 360; PSRL. T. 15. Vol. 1. STB. 45). Information contained in this final part of the complex on the structure and chronology of the chronicles of articles in 1330 According to this text, composed in part of the metropolitan office with the words "ancient elders" Moscow in honor of the Transfiguration husband. Mon-series in the Kremlin, Vol. Daniel A. "imeyashe" Archimandrite in Mont-re "holy Danila beyond the river", the monastery was n. in the name of Venerable. Daniel Stylites. In 1330 Mont-pi was transferred conducted. book. Moscow John I Kalita in the Moscow Kremlin and the new location has a different dedication in honor of the Transfiguration. From Mont-St series. Daniel in the Spassky Mon pb book. John Kalita translated by Archimandrite headed by John (vposl. en. Rostov).

T. of. To beg. XV century. information about DM, including about its location, retained only the "oldest old men." Mont Pk obviously neglected even in the 30's and 40's. XIV century., Primarily in connection with the discontinuation of it Archimandrite. In the Metropolitan code of 1409 also stated that the remains of the book. Daniel Aleksandrovich († 1303) were buried "in the Church of St. Michael in Moscow" (Priselkov MD Trinity Chronicle. S. 351). According to the Book of the power the king's lineage 60-ies. XVI century., Vol. Daniel, a monk, died and was buried on the territory of which he founded the Mon-series.

With the transfer of Archimandrite, and himself Mon-pi, "and sat down, and all the heritage" of the monastery were transferred to the top of the Archimandrite Spassky Mon, generally speaking, yes, along both the monastery under a single beginning and a single flock neskudno ustrayayutsya. Over time, negligence archimandrites Spassky "DM has ceased to exist in its place was left y. st. Daniel Stylites, located near the settlement, which bore the name "Seltso Danilovskoe (PSRL. T. 21. Part 1. S. 298). Cemetery with the grave of the book. Daniel on the site of an ancient Mon-series with a. Danilovskoye neglected. Produced in DM in the 80's. XX century. Archaeological excavations have found traces of a temple in the XIII. but found many graves, the remains of stone tombstones with inscriptions, dating from the con. XV - 1 st floor. XVI century. indicate the existence of this cemetery to-Roe was next to the unpreserved wood u. in the name of Venerable. Daniel Stylites.

Since the reign of Basil III Ivanovich known cases of healing at the tomb of St. Prince. In the XVI century. on the initiative of Tsar Ivan IV Vasilyevich close with. Danilov was revived monastic life. The king established the custom, in-rum each year he, along with the Metropolitan Cathedral and the clergy attended the Mon-pi, where the day had to be performed the funeral service for the book. Daniel. At the end. XVI - the beginning. Seventeenth century. DM at the center of military and state. events. As a result, the march on Moscow to the Crimean Khan Devlet Giray in 1571, was ravaged not only the capital but also its immediate environs. In 1591 at the approach to Moscow troops Kaza Giray Khan "commanded the emperor and the magistrates all the boyars shelves stavittsa Moscow River on lugeh under Kolomna and under the Danilov Monastery, where the very first night battle forced the enemy to flee (he discharge book 1550-1636 ., 1976. Volume 2. pp. 81-82). In autumn 1606, Ivan Bolotnikov with a detachment of "went to Moscow ... stood in the river and occupied the village Danylivka Zagorje "(Massa I. Summary of the news of Muscovy at the beginning. XVII century. M., 1937. S. 162), after which government troops" battle with the thieves were ezhedennye under Danilovsky until the governor MV Shuya not won on Dec. 1. 1601 DM and defeated the rebels (discharge book 1550-1636 years., 1976. Volume 2. S. 287). By DM, was executed one of atamans, Prince Peter (Ileyka Muromets) (Karmzinsky chronograph. Cyt. By: Smirnov Rise Bolotnikov. Moscow, 1951. P. 432). In the summer of 1610 at DM Muscovites decided the fate of Tsar Vasily Shuysky: people "gathered in the field at the Danilov Monastery", "hedgehog would have sworn word sovershiti" with False Dmitri II. (The Legend of Abraham PALITSYNA. Moscow, Leningrad, 1955. S. 60). In August. In 1610 when approaching the Moscow Cossack hetman Zolkiewski False Dmitry II burned the village and the Mon-ri, including DM and its suburb (Notes Hetman Zolkiewski war on Moscow. SPb, 1871. S. 72; Diary //RIB. 1872. V.1. pp. 661-662).

In the XVII - the 1 st floor. XVIII century. DM, at a distance of approx. 5 km from the Kremlin, including the territory Ratueva camp in Moscow., After the provincial reform the 2 nd floor. XVIII century .- Cheremozhskom in the camp. In the 2 nd floor. 80 - nach. 90-ies. XVIII century. mon-Pb entered the hell of Moscow and until 1917 was part of the city of Serpukhov.

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По умолчанию Danilov Monastery bells returned to his native abode

Danilov Monastery

12 September (2008), the day of the finding of the relics of St. Prince Daniel of Moscow (1652), at the St. Daniel Monastery Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy II and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has headed the church and community celebrations devoted to the act of transfer St. Daniel Monastery historical ensemble of the Danilov bells are returned to Moscow from Harvard University, USA
Morning at the Trinity Cathedral of St. Daniel Monastery, the celebratory liturgy, which made Metropolitan of Kaluga and Borovsky Clement, managing director of the Moscow Patriarchate, Archbishop Arseny of Istra, Bishop Alexander of Dmitrov. During the Divine Liturgy, Metropolitan prayed Volgograd and Kamyshin Herman.
After the service the procession with the relics of the honest of the Holy Prince Daniel of Moscow was held from Holy Trinity Cathedral in the Monastery Square where you installed the bells returned.

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Then, in the Danilov Monastery profit Patriarch Alexy and President Medvedev.
Having made a prayer service, the Russian Orthodox Church bells thrice he sprinkled holy water.

His Holiness congratulated the participants of celebrations on the remarkable event.
Speech of His Holiness Patriarch Alexy II at the handover ceremony of the bells in the St. Daniel Monastery

Your Excellency, dear Mr. President!
Fellows hierarchs, reverend fathers, my dear father, the governor, distinguished guests, benefactors, dear brothers and sisters!

Blessed and memorable stay in the history of Danilov Monastery in Moscow, and this holiday of the Holy Prince Daniel of Moscow. Today we have the assistance fund "Link of Times" takes on Harvard's priceless gift to us - completely preserved ensemble of bells of St. Daniel's monastery.

In the hard and difficult 30 years the bells were removed for sale as scrap metal, but found a benefactor in the United States of America, which bought the full ensemble of bells and handed it to Harvard University. The day with prayer and hope we waited more than a year and more than one decade. Now the solemn moment has come. With the exhilarating feeling of joy thanks to God and people, we accept returns shrine.

When you look at the bells in front of our eyes as it passes over dramatic, but nevertheless successfully completed their story. We meet the most famous in Russia and unique-sounding ensemble of ancient bells. It was appreciated in Moscow as one of the best.
I sincerely thank His Excellency President Dmitry, who shared the joy of his participation this historic event. Today, we express our profound gratitude to all project participants, to work in the U.S., and Russia. From now on here at the Danilov Monastery, will always offer prayers to God for all the people whose efforts have created these bells, saved, stored, and returned to Russia.
I would also like to express my confidence that with the assistance fund "Connection Time" preserve the cultural relationship between Harvard University and the Danilov Monastery. It will be a live thread of the memory of those wonderful events, witnesses and participants granted us to be God. God forbid that such joint good works and projects that build trust for each other in our society was becoming more and more - the key to the understanding and building peace and harmony.
Finding and keeping our sanctuary, we will take care of the revival of our souls, that our efforts were fruitful and friendly spirit of God. Let continue harmonious Danilov Monastery bells resonate in our hearts with the voice of God guiding us to the true path to him, inspiring prayer to God, to creation of a good life according to the commandments of Christ.

Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times" Viktor Vekselberg Feliksovich presented to His Holiness the act of donation of the historic ensemble of the bells of St. Daniel's monastery. Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times", Chairman of the Board of Trustees, which is Victor Vekselberg, for five years, provided all phases of the project for the return of the Danilov bells at home.
In turn, His Holiness Patriarch Alexy to hand over documents about the ownership of the ensemble of the Danilov bells vicar of St. Daniel Monastery Archimandrite Alexis (Polikarpov).
At the conclusion ceremony of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian president made a symbolic ringing of a bell.
The ceremony was attended by Metropolitan Clement of Kaluga and Borovsky, Volgograd and Kamyshin Herman, Archbishop Arseny of Istra, Bishop Alexander of Dmitrov, heads of state structures of Russia, a delegation from Harvard University, representatives of the Foundation "The Link of Times", public and charitable organizations, Russian and foreign media , inhabitants of St. Daniel's monastery, the faithful of Moscow.
In the Patriarchal Residence St. Daniel Monastery Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy II and Chairman of the Board of Trustees of Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times" Viktor Vekselberg answered questions the media.
Into account the active participation in the campaign for the return of the historical ensemble of the Danilov bells in the Fatherland His Holiness Patriarch Alexy V. Vekselberg has awarded the Order of St. Sergius, II degree. Acting Director of Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times" VS Voronchenko awarded the Order of St. Vladimir, III degree. Several representatives from Harvard University have been awarded the Patriarchal letters.
Presenting the highest awards of the Church, His Holiness, in particular, said: "I have uttered today, words of gratitude to those who labored, contributed to the fact that this event happened. Once again I want to express my appreciation to all who participated in the return of the Danilov bells. I think for all of us is very important to see how love and joy with which the believer accepts the people returned to Danilov Monastery bells. Not only in Moscow but in St. Petersburg, Novgorod and Tver, where people are sincerely rejoiced the return of relics, which are now transferred to St. Daniel's monastery.

In the near future, newly acquired antique bell will be placed in the bell tower of Danilov Monastery.

The future plans of the participants of the project - initiation of the procedure include the Danilov bells in the list of UNESCO World Heritage Site.
September 12, after the handover ceremony Danilov bells of St. Daniel Monastery, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Alexy and chairman of the Board of Trustees Cultural and Historical Foundation "The Link of Times" Viktor Vekselberg Feliksovich answered questions from journalists.
His Holiness Patriarch Alexy: - I think that today a historic event, and I've already said this in his speech. Returned to their home monastery bells, which are more than 80 years were in exile. We are grateful to those who kept these difficult years, but especially grateful to those who helped them to return. We gratefully accept contributions of Victor Feliksovich and his associates, who helped realized this long-awaited event. I think that the relationship between the Danilov Monastery and Harvard remain. Students at Harvard University rang the bell, but it was a shotgun ringing. Only when it came to Harvard in our bell-ringers, American students have learned that the bells can play music. I hope that is not enough U.S. citizens will come here to us to learn to play the bells, and then at home to call for the holidays in those bells that delivered and raised to the belfry at Harvard instead of returning to Russia.

Viktor Vekselberg: - Frequently asked questions: Why? Why? what way? how much money is spent? You know, starting from the day when the bells returned to Russia, during their meeting in St. Petersburg, we saw how ordinary people react to the return of the relics. They approached, bowed, and thanked it - the most valuable reward for us all during those long years of work. Because thanks to the common man for what he is regaining the faith, finds hope, I think, the most expensive - it is a very important part of our lives. I have already said that we are very pleased that our collaboration with the St. Daniel Monastery, together with the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian government managed to bring this matter to an end. It's actually a big holiday light, and so beautifully that there is just such events in our lives today.

Reporter: - Your Holiness, when you have guided the restoration of St. Daniel Monastery, you have assumed that the historic bells will return here in a monastery?

His Holiness Patriarch Alexy: - No, then we could not hope for such, and so we searched for remains of bells across Russia, and found such a bell in one of the closed churches in the Diocese of Yaroslavl. When we came to learn the bells, the people, but they were few in this village, everyone stood up to defend their holy sites, not wanting to part with the bells. Only after them came the priests, who were told that the bells will ring in the first in our country, the restored monastery - Daniel, after that, people lost their bells of the monastery. But now we will return the bells in the Yaroslavl diocese, where there are many temples restored, including the Cathedral of the Assumption Cathedral in Yaroslavl, which also needs to be ringing. We will return the bells of the diocese in which they were taken in more difficult times - in 1983.

Reporter: - Tell me when the bell Danilov Monastery in Yaroslavl diocese will take their place?

His Holiness Patriarch Alexy: - Now we are working on it, I think that within the next month. Have already strengthened the foundation. To remove the old bell, which in the course of the past 25 years, calls to the monastery, and to erect in their place native bells, which 200 years with a break for prayer called the brethren and parishioners of St. Daniel Monastery.
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По умолчанию Danilov Monastery in Moscow

Article from t. XIV «Orthodox Encyclopedia", Moscow. 2006

Danilov, in the name of St. Daniel Stylites Moscow Monastery (Stavropighial MP ROC), located on the south-east of Moscow. Founded St. faithful. book. Daniil of Moscow.

The history of the monastery grounds. The exact date of foundation DM is unknown. In historical science XVIII - early. XX centuries. occurrence of mon-series are usually dated from a wide chronological framework - the years 1272-1282. At the end. XX century. VA Kuchkin proposed new date of the foundation - 1298-1299 years. Believing that the blessing of the device mon-series and the establishment of Archimandrite Prince of Moscow could be obtained only from the Metropolitan of Kiev and All Russia, and to build a monastery in a favorable political environment to an end their lives (see: Kuchkin. The date of foundation mosk. Danilova Mon-series. pp. 164-166). According to Kuchkina, for the establishment of Archimandrite book. Daniel A. took the move in 1299 from Kiev to Vladimir Met. svt. Maxim.

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It is known that since voknyazheniya Daniil Alexandrovich Moscow ground served the bishops of Rostov. Connection with the Rostov Department can also be found in the descendants of the book. Daniel. From 1274 to 1299 the principality of Moscow, most likely was part of the Vladimir-Suzdal diocese, and the blessing at the base of the monastery could have given the diocesan bishop. It is also impossible to deny the need for device ktitorskogo pilgrimage dedicated to the heavenly patron of the book. Daniel St. Daniel Stylites, and in the early period of his public activities. Therefore, the device is still possible DM previously concentration. 90-ies. XIV century. (Eg, in the 2 nd floor. 70-80-ies. XIII century., During the termination of guardianship over the minor prince from his uncle, the Grand. Book. Tver and Vladimir Yaroslav Yaroslav, and the initial period of independent rule in his inheritance book. Daniel). According to the current pres. time the monastic tradition of the founding date, DM is considered to be in 1282

Topographical situation medieval. Mon-series "holy Daniel» XIII-XIV centuries. in the earliest written sources indicated vaguely - "beyond the river" (Priselkov MD Trinity Chronicle. text reconstruction, Moscow, Leningrad, 1950. S. 360; PSRL. T. 15. Vol. 1. STB. 45). Information contained in this final part of the complex on the structure and chronology of the chronicles of articles in 1330 According to this text, composed in part of the metropolitan office with the words "ancient elders" Moscow in honor of the Transfiguration husband. Mon-series in the Kremlin, Vol. Daniel A. "imeyashe" Archimandrite in Mont-re "holy Danila beyond the river", the monastery was n. in the name of Venerable. Daniel Stylites. In 1330 Mont-pi was transferred conducted. book. Moscow John I Kalita in the Moscow Kremlin and the new location has a different dedication in honor of the Transfiguration. From Mont-St series. Daniel in the Spassky Mon pb book. John Kalita translated by Archimandrite headed by John (vposl. en. Rostov).

T. of. To beg. XV century. information about DM, including about its location, retained only the "oldest old men." Mont Pk obviously neglected even in the 30's and 40's. XIV century., Primarily in connection with the discontinuation of it Archimandrite. In the Metropolitan code of 1409 also stated that the remains of the book. Daniel Aleksandrovich († 1303) were buried "in the Church of St. Michael in Moscow" (Priselkov MD Trinity Chronicle. S. 351). According to the Book of the power the king's lineage 60-ies. XVI century., Vol. Daniel, a monk, died and was buried on the territory of which he founded the Mon-series.

With the transfer of Archimandrite, and himself Mon-pi, "and sat down, and all the heritage" of the monastery were transferred to the top of the Archimandrite Spassky Mon, generally speaking, yes, along both the monastery under a single beginning and a single flock neskudno ustrayayutsya. Over time, negligence archimandrites Spassky "DM has ceased to exist in its place was left y. st. Daniel Stylites, located near the settlement, which bore the name "Seltso Danilovskoe (PSRL. T. 21. Part 1. S. 298). Cemetery with the grave of the book. Daniel on the site of an ancient Mon-series with a. Danilovskoye neglected. Produced in DM in the 80's. XX century. Archaeological excavations have found traces of a temple in the XIII. but found many graves, the remains of stone tombstones with inscriptions, dating from the con. XV - 1 st floor. XVI century. indicate the existence of this cemetery to-Roe was next to the unpreserved wood u. in the name of Venerable. Daniel Stylites.

Since the reign of Basil III Ivanovich known cases of healing at the tomb of St. Prince. In the XVI century. on the initiative of Tsar Ivan IV Vasilyevich close with. Danilov was revived monastic life. The king established the custom, in-rum each year he, along with the Metropolitan Cathedral and the clergy attended the Mon-pi, where the day had to be performed the funeral service for the book. Daniel. At the end. XVI - the beginning. Seventeenth century. DM at the center of military and state. events. As a result, the march on Moscow to the Crimean Khan Devlet Giray in 1571, was ravaged not only the capital but also its immediate environs. In 1591 at the approach to Moscow troops Kaza Giray Khan "commanded the emperor and the magistrates all the boyars shelves stavittsa Moscow River on lugeh under Kolomna and under the Danilov Monastery, where the very first night battle forced the enemy to flee (he discharge book 1550-1636 ., 1976. Volume 2. pp. 81-82). In autumn 1606, Ivan Bolotnikov with a detachment of "went to Moscow ... stood in the river and occupied the village Danylivka Zagorje "(Massa I. Summary of the news of Muscovy at the beginning. XVII century. M., 1937. S. 162), after which government troops" battle with the thieves were ezhedennye under Danilovsky until the governor MV Shuya not won on Dec. 1. 1601 DM and defeated the rebels (discharge book 1550-1636 years., 1976. Volume 2. S. 287). By DM, was executed one of atamans, Prince Peter (Ileyka Muromets) (Karmzinsky chronograph. Cyt. By: Smirnov Rise Bolotnikov. Moscow, 1951. P. 432). In the summer of 1610 at DM Muscovites decided the fate of Tsar Vasily Shuysky: people "gathered in the field at the Danilov Monastery", "hedgehog would have sworn word sovershiti" with False Dmitri II. (The Legend of Abraham PALITSYNA. Moscow, Leningrad, 1955. S. 60). In August. In 1610 when approaching the Moscow Cossack hetman Zolkiewski False Dmitry II burned the village and the Mon-ri, including DM and its suburb (Notes Hetman Zolkiewski war on Moscow. SPb, 1871. S. 72; Diary //RIB. 1872. V.1. pp. 661-662).

In the XVII - the 1 st floor. XVIII century. DM, at a distance of approx. 5 km from the Kremlin, including the territory Ratueva camp in Moscow., After the provincial reform the 2 nd floor. XVIII century .- Cheremozhskom in the camp. In the 2 nd floor. 80 - nach. 90-ies. XVIII century. mon-Pb entered the hell of Moscow and until 1917 was part of the city of Serpukhov.

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Eugene, ie you think. that Vekselberg should finally have to buy for Hasidic library Schneerson? But they themselves are rich. (A) There is the matter of principle.
 Schneerson Library - a mysterious substance. Keep it in a separate room to study - it's just for the current time in the country, as well as icons in the museum's storerooms. Ie Hasidim have intensified in connection with the law on transfer of property. The law does not say that transmit only the ROC. So they want equal rights, I think.



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По умолчанию The first ringing of the bells returned

March 17, 2009 in the parish feast day - the memory of St. Prince Daniel of Moscow - the ceremony, during which re-sounded nice Danilov bells returned in 2008 from Harvard University.

March 17 - the feast day of Danilov Monastery, the Church remembers the day in prayer repose "owner" of Moscow - Prince Daniel. As happens every year on this day a solemn service - All-Night Vigil and Divine Liturgy. It is a spiritual celebration was headed by the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, Kirill. Together with the Patriarch of the Liturgy of the Presanctified served as Archbishop Arseny of Istra, Archbishop of Vladimir and Suzdal Eulogy, Archbishop of Yekaterinburg and Verkhotursky Vincent, Bishop of Krasnogorsk Sawa, Bishop Mark of Yegoryevsk, deputy Danilov Monastery, Archimandrite Alexy, brothers of the monastery, as well as clergy of Moscow, which in the long tradition of good always comes to this holiday of love to St and St Prince Daniil.

People in this time was more than usual, and it is no accident. At the end of the liturgy was to be held long-awaited historical event - the ringing of the bells returned to the historical, which finally hoisted to its rightful place and tuned for performance of church bells. They were waiting for their advantage a minute on the monastic hiding behind the arches, looking dark-green curves, as if whispering about the importance of the forthcoming - not to disappoint! Monks ringers frozen with pale faces, the excitement the bannister bell, periodically adjusting the outline that a light breeze threw them in the face that seems to relieve the tension.

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It was hard to believe his eyes. Still some five years ago it all seemed impossible. Embodied memories of those who have heard the bell tower to its destruction. Just a few years did not live up to this day, Mikhail Ivanovich Makarov, author of the Sacred Memory of the soul ", which was a parishioner of St. Daniel Monastery, he studied in the monastery church school and the boy rang the bells, hurried to the service under their majestic and how he recalls it, "crimson" jingle. And here we are modern people, we stand and look at this living history - are silent in anticipation of the ancient bells are silent and our lips, unable to explain what is happening.

An eyewitness of the holiday, wishing to take a seat in advance on the area and made their way into the temple through the dense crowd, came out into the street, fell into the same crowd - the whole monastery area was filled with people. The sun that day shone soft and light and joy reflected in the many happy faces anxious folk. Worked on the street listening service, so that the prayerful singing like incense from the temple spread over the monastery.

At the end of the Liturgy of the governor of St. Daniel Monastery, Archimandrite Alexy his welcome His Holiness recalled that after more than 25 years since the return of the monastery church. Last autumn there was a significant event - the monastery was returned to the bells from Harvard University, and today, with the ringing of bells returned, will sound the last chord in the reconstruction of Danilov Monastery. Father of the governor and the brethren of the monastery gave the Patriarch a bell, specially made and decorated in memory of the historic return of the Danilov bells.

In reply, His Holiness emphasized that today, the feast day of St. Prince Daniel of Moscow, the founder of the Danilov Monastery, is a historic event. "We hear the sound of the original bells, which were hard times in the hour of the ocean, but the power of faith and perseverance of pious people, these bells have returned to my place" - His Holiness said, noting that the effort of copies of the bells, cast in Russia, given at Harvard University. This is the last page of the tragic history of Belfry Danilov Monastery, His Holiness said. According to His Holiness, has been more than 25 years since the return of the monastery church, was replaced by a generation of people, and today many are unaware of the Moscow without the monastery, which had previously been the abomination of desolation, organized by people who wanted to build human happiness without God and without faith . "We can testify that these blasphemous and daring dreams ended in complete failure. In the place where filth and squalor, there can be no human happiness "- said the Primate. "What is history teaches us Danilov Monastery and the whole of our country? Can not go against God! God allows people to go against him, that they were convinced of the futility of their attempts, "- said His Holiness. According to him, the experience of the past 25 years convinces us that the pious respect for our history, you can restore the beauty and grandeur of Holy Russia. His Holiness Patriarch Cyril recalled that when the question was about the rebirth of Christ the Savior Cathedral, many were against it, citing the fact that the money should be spent on hospitals, prisons and orphanages. "But how can someone say that the Church did not do something because it was resurrected Cathedral of Christ the Savior! - Said the Patriarch. - Along with the re-establishment of temples and monasteries around the face of the earth was reborn and our homeland. " The Primate said that those who helped return the bell tower of Danilov Monastery, understood that these bells - part of Russia, which has been lost and you want to return. "And let the bells returned to the Danilov monastery, today's bells will proclaim the truth that without God is impossible to human happiness" - said in conclusion, His Holiness.

At the end of the liturgy and a brief prayer before the shrine with the relics of Prince Daniel of all clergy and pious laity came out with a religious procession at the monastery area. His Holiness led the procession. The area was almost entirely occupied by the people of God who came to hear this long-awaited ring.

Patriarch read the prayer for the blessing of bells, and then made the sign of the cross bell. Then he was made the first sound of the return of historical monastery belfry - a bell, which waited 25 years - since the return of the monastery church and the renewal of monastic life in it. Jingle-bell ringers performed brethren Danilov Monastery, led by hierodeacon Roman. Not without a miracle. According to the impressions of older ringer, bell like themselves call that demanded that tremulous moment, and the first bell went amazingly beautiful, although on the eve of ringers conducted rehearsals of another ringing - the power of God and human weakness! Savvy students expressed later o.Romanu his endless enthusiasm, trying to describe in words and it's a miracle - this sound - and their vpechtaleniya. They said that as if plunged into the ancient Rus to the majestic godparents moves, with a velvety thick ring when, it seems, it sounds very earth-mother, with mighty heroes, deacon, disputing his powerful bass with the bells-evangelist.

After the first bell, which lasted about three minutes, His Holiness appealed to the people and enthusiastically said: "The bells separates two eras - the era of creation and destruction of the era. God forbid, never to be silent ringing of these bells in the belfry of St. Daniel Monastery. It is important that this sound was like that, I had to go through our Church and country people. And God forbid that the Russian people desire to return the bells helped scholars and students of Harvard University, too, think of God and keep faith in their hearts. "

At the end of the celebration, in gratitude for his efforts to return the bells His Holiness bestowed the governor Danilov Monastery, Archimandrite Alexy Order of St. Vladimir II degree, and the capital's Mayor Yuri Luzhkov blessed Patriarchal Merit.

The ceremony was attended by Culture Minister Alexander Sokolov and U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Byerly.

When the procession moved from the area, the two went on holiday bell ringing alternately: historical - on the church of St. Simeon - and time, which is located on the ground, with the bells, which are more than 20 years of honest gospel throughout the Danilov district, now replaced brothers - owners of the bell tower . Another 15 minutes, as is customary in the Danilov Monastery in the afternoon the main feast day, swam in the district, "raspberry" sound of not letting go of blissful people, which flowed over the area, stretching over the heads of their cameras and mobile phones, filming and recording.

  


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cultural officials are doing lawlessness ..
I think it's not the bureaucrats. and policy. And the library has become a bargaining chip in the political bargaining about something. Just kill the God who can not understand why Nikolai Nikolaevich Gubenko so for her beat. Well, Dürer still here and there. But the library of Jewish mystical sect - I do not understand. Someone affect it, probably <!--~ 10 "-> " Moreover, the then Chief Rabbi Ber Lazar became a Hasid, which hatched in Russia was not. MB That is competing firms MB the answer lies in the field of conspiracy?



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and the library has become a bargaining chip in the political bargaining about something.
Maybe you're right ..



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