You recently often criticized for what you're supposed to create their works in favor of the modern bourgeois taste and the so-called "mainstream", they say, all modern art has become an industry making money. How do you treat yourself to such accusations?
A taste of what is called bourgeois? First, I am a city dweller, a man of the city around the warehouse of his consciousness, and the citizen in French - the bourgeoisie. Secondly, in my memory of "bourgeois", in extreme cases, the "petty bourgeois" art recorded everything - from the Impressionists to Conceptual and new wild. A still-lifes and landscapes Lomykina Shishko considered "socialist". Anyone, but I'm rarely drawn to the casual ease and a decorative "positive". My things are usually many "loaded" suggestion, domestic drama. Of course, the degree of external aggression decreases with age. In twenty years the artist, as a rule, the other power than fifty years. Ilya Ehrenburg in his book "People, Years, Life", wrote that at times resemble the old assessment raznoshennuyu shoes. That is probably what I'm doing now, is perceived somewhat calmer than what I was doing 20 years ago, but to the "bourgeois", in my understanding, this is irrelevant. I'm still anti-bourgeois tastes, anti-bourgeois position. And I do not care about someone's superficial assessment.
Art has always been the industry make money, like any profession. Of course there are examples of "CLEAN SERVICE", was Andrei Rublev, for whom it was meditation and prayer, were Van Gogh, Filonov, whose work was, above all, the sublimation of specific features of mental device. But the vast majority of artists from Leonardo and Michelangelo to Picasso and Warhol always earned good money. When Serov, Korovin Vrubel and painted mansion Morozova, they received the fees themselves have built themselves mansions. Modern Ukrainian artists in this sense - the holy ascetics, who need to erect monuments in his lifetime, because the material component of what we are doing is insignificant.
The richest of us on their financial resources with labor falls short of the wealth of the owner of two or three food stalls. And as far as I know, none of those among the top ten most important artists of modern Ukraine, including going indiscreet, and I do not have no car, no country house or a decent studio. As far as I know, Savadov still working in the basement, Tistolrabotaet in the basement, which he had once "drove the" Savadov.
No studio or by Gnilitskiy nor Chichkan nor Mamsikova ... I work in the apartment. Only Tsagolov, if I remember correctly, bought the shop, and then, just a couple of months ago. This is true not only of our generation. Even seventy Ivan Marchuk in official icon turned easily, and at the studio pozhlobilis. Complained that the fifth floor have to walk up. I worked on the fifth floor walkup, and I am in my 47 sometimes strained to crawl up to the brim, and Marchuk, because older will. Everyone thinks the money in our pockets. Let them go to hell with your calculator. The fact that we have all these twenty years, even when the grub is not enough, there's no market for zhlobskom indifference of Ukrainian society, to stay in their profession, holding a flag for it to all of us already have at least give the order.
you for a long time called the classics of Ukrainian postmodern. Today the word postmodernism is almost a dirty, all trying to find new ways of development of modern art, for example, Nicolas Bourriaud invents a vague concept of "altermoderna. Which stream you yourself attributed its work and that, in your opinion, should be for the postmodern in contemporary culture? As critics of the future will be called and evaluate the art of our days?
I attribute his works to the wall under which I have to pile up, sometimes to the door when I bought them. Everything else is not really my problem is I personally call postmodernism beginning to cause an idiosyncrasy for 10 years before I began to call classics of Ukrainian post-modernism. I want to open a terrible secret --
no such style, no direction in art. Postmodernism - a diagnosis of time in which we live, and I see no signs that in the foreseeable future, the diagnosis changed. Where are we from him hold your hand? So is the air we breathe. Therefore be "a classic of post-modernism" - that is absurd. Can not be "a classic of the decline of Rome" or "classic sunset of feudalism.
Well, which direction to include your creativity and creativity of artists, close to you?
I myself do not regard the flows, I'm working. Of course, I They reflect, I can specify the components of what I'm doing. I can tell, where is the French school of painting, where Dada, where neoclassic where neopop, where remnants of transavangardnoy mechanics of building plots and characters, where is the British political economy, where is the French utopian socialism, where the German classical philosophy, and where other sources and components of Marxism. But branding, such as "is cubism," "This fauvism" - the task of criticism. I have another profession. I - artist.
intelligent artist ... You are, incidentally, does not prevent that you are so intellectually developed?
Who said I was smart? Sometimes I behave like a complete moron. Recently, I was on the way from the Crimea lit as Loja. I bought on the platform in Dzhankoi agar-agar caviar. I was told that it is real, and I believed him. And then threw it in the trash can. It was a very tasteless
In the 90's and even in the early 2000's you are actively engaged in video art. As you know, your work is "psychedelic invasion Battleship Potemkin in tautological hallucinosis Sergei Eisenstein," was presented at the Venice Biennale in curatorial projects Harald Zeeman "Plateau of Humankind". She sounded it loud enough. Why is video art lessons you have left? Because it is commercially viable in our country, genre, or you simply exhausted inspiration in this area?
In our country it is commercially viable genre, but, for example, in the American country, where I lived, it was commercially very profitable, even a genre, I tried to persuade many to quit painting and do more with it. But, first, the painting is closer to me - I studied it. Secondly, it was very funny because, though I have in the forehead and not on the asterisk, but I consider myself a fairly serious painter. As for the video - I made the first more or less meaningful work in the media and with it went around the world. She got into Momo, she came to Venice, I read about her lecture at Georgetown University (in nearby audience at that time gave a lecture, Madeleine Albright), even had my little festival in the Moscow House Khanzhonkov. But I still saw that, compared with my painting, it is somehow not very seriously, though, and more fun. Too easy, maybe ...
But video art, in principle, a young genre, especially in our country, as well as picture, in which amateurism is not condemned ...
That's why me and not interested in photography and video. Because the technology is there, the mechanics of the process, in my opinion, often play a decisive role, rather than magic. On the other hand, as I feel the paint - hearing your fingertips - few feel. And how can I feel the structure of the video frame or the length of time - nothing unique, I think not. I do not consider myself in this area sverhodarennym. In the last frame "psychedelic invasion ..." I play the violin. This is a metaphor for my relationship to my videoopytam. Video for me - "Ingres violin".
In addition, I dully in the technique, I had to work with assistants and I was often irritated. And when I have the paint, canvas and mastehin - I need no one. For me, painting still more spontaneous.
You're a long time he was a legislator of the artistic process, and for some time and has successfully combined the artistic practice with supervision. Why today you completely abandoned organizational initiatives? Painter replaces curator in you?
All of my curatorial practice based on some kind of idealism: the artistic community as a sect, family, a common cause, a joint breakthrough, the emancipation of consciousness, psychedelic and the sexual revolution, giving a wonderful new world! My curatorial technologies were built on the principles of Liberté, Egalité and Fraternité for the art community. The first breath of dough, even funny, how modest, is a community shook off the dust of useless ideals with their feet. Idealist in my heart, of course, remained, but since then I try to treat people sober.
And your sexual revolution is over?
Personally, my - in full swing.
In Odessa, you are gathered around a youth, was the center of attraction. Tell me about him today, you see young people that you wanted to organize a "single center»?
Anymore. Maybe it's age, may be the consequence of the psychotrauma, which I received in the late 90's. Maybe this is not conducive to time or a specific style of Kiev relations.
The fact that Odessa - it was still a city where everything is all talked, everything about everybody all know, is the city where you live as in the series "Behind Glass" and the art produced there, as in this series, in Kiev - each in his cell. All, of course, once crossed, something produced, the overall picture emerges, but the total space of communication today, I personally do not feel.
But at least one young artist you touched?
Yes, sometimes I see the work of a new artist, or someone whose work I've seen a few years ago, and suddenly realize that this is already a mature artist, as was recently Pikul, whose latest work, I recently saw and found it is already mature and ready to master. Because before that he was, I still looked sort of ersatz, one of the extras gallery shop. In Odessa, for the last time artists, delighted me, it Apl 315, I think it graffitist world-class, or Ryabchenko Stepan, the son of my old friend Basil Ryabchenko. He makes art, which really bothers me a computer, and it looks like a very fashionable American art. From Kiev more interesting Tolik Belov. But how can they connect, today I can not imagine. All that blended into the early 90's, united on the basis of ethical convention, floated tusovka neformuliruemoy and rested on the idea of the saving mission of art to transform society. I think this technology is no longer working.
Contemporary art in society has changed nothing, and ethical convention ... I do not know, maybe I have the charisma it is not enough, but, in my opinion, it is impossible in principle.
And why are you doing art? In desperation?
Art - this is my profession, it is a religion, it is a way of life. Why Mozart wrote music? Why Einstein studied physics? Because they lived it ...
And you like what you doing?
Otherwise, would not have worked. But, in principle, I would have changed his profession at some other. President of Ukraine, for example, would. Jobs, of course, disgusting, but around so much idiocy that involuntarily you think: "Maybe I would have done better."
That is, the messianic potential you have not yet exhausted?
And never run out. I just did not believe that contemporary art can change the world around me. I used to think that if the country is filled with contemporary art, will disappear zhlobstvo disappear dullness, rigidity, hypocrisy, at faith, believe in my heart that art suddenly so powerful to change the cultural field, that all prozreyut. "And come eternal life" ...
Today, many diverse opinions heard in the address Pinchuk Art Center, exhibition policy is becoming more specific. How do you feel about this institution, you're standing at the very beginning of its creation ... All I get, as conceived, and if not, why not?
Somehow, I always tried to speak correctly about the Pinchuk Art Center, on the assumption that the preferences Victor Pinchuk - is his business and his private law, since the center is private. If he wanted the money to open a center to train pigs to play the piano, he and this would have been entitled. But the farther, the more the center moves away from those expectations, which I personally with him. Therefore, again, my personal claims may be illegitimate, but I also have a right to them, like Mr. Pinchuk on its position. I still think that the mission to which we originally called Pinchuk-assemble, akademizirovat, muzeefitsirovat, or, as would Groys, "valorizirovat" Ukrainian art of the past 20-25 years, this task is more urgent and more vital for the Ukrainian art of today, I do not see. It is not just failed, but goes farther and farther marginez. And then, when we discussed this, all this required amount sootnocimaya with the one in which the cost of this barn zaspirtovanny-mi predators of the underwater world in the courtyard of the Arena. To invest so much money in bubbles like Hirst. Yes, it is remarkable artist of the late 20-early 21 th century, but this does not exclude the fact that he is a bubble, like a pyramid Meydoffa. And do not invest even a 5-10 per cent from this, that of unsettled, demoralized the artistic process of Ukraine to establish systematic, documented, thoughtful and appreciated worldwide phenomenon - it is, on the wording of the Criminal Code, "gross negligence". By the way, maybe my words offended by Alexander Soloviev, but since he started working at the Pinchuk Art Center, the Ukrainian art as a process as a kind of wholeness, which is permanently looking in the mirror successive large projects, and in this format was developed - poduvyalo. Yes, Solovyov, finally got a decent job, but it was in bondage. And the alternative to this person, even with some of its shortcomings, I do not see. If only because only he could write a competent history of modern Ukrainian art.
But why did it not Solovyov wrote?
Several years ago one of the visiting curators Pinchuk Art Center presented Solovyov claim: "You want to write their own history of art." But unlike France, whence came this man, in Ukraine there is no written history of modern art. Contemporary art in our country there is in the format of the oral tradition. Like Akhmatova said, "We live in doguttenbergovskuyu era. And so, even if Soloviev and did not want to write their own history of modern Ukrainian art, it is "before God and history" is simply obliged to do so. It is his duty. Like, perhaps, the duty Pinchuk - Solovyov provide such an opportunity, though,
Of course, Victor M. - a few people from another world, and may not understand. What Soloviev put in such condition that it can not now exercise their right and duty to write this story - minus the center Pinchuk.
I think that if today someone suggested minimum organizational and material conditions, and said: Write the story, it would have been. It seems no one is necessary.
Is it all started so?
Was in the tuning Literaturnaya Gazeta this topic: "If I was the director .... So I would suggest Pinchuk Art Center "left turn". From glamorous hangouts - to "populism", from the spectacular VIP-events - the workaday to the contribution made by the cultivation of local fields. Even if imported Voltaire believed that the Ukrainian art to anyone in the world is not interesting. It will become fashionable, if you invest in it, if it is actively lobbying. I think that eksperimet Marat Gelman in Perm is very revealing. Barter inspirational Moscow to the provincial regional center to implement the socio-artistic utopia - a selfless gesture. The real precedent for the very asceticism.
But there is more in Perm and oil, seems to have, besides the artistic utopia ...
So what that oil? Who knows where it is? Art is not everywhere where oil. What Gelman contributed to this resource - excellent. He is for less than a year has transformed the city, which was not on the cultural map of Russia, its cultural capital. Pity it has not received novel Pinchuk with Gelman, the same resource never been given to Marat in Ukraine.
And now, "lost all»?
There is always hope. Who seven years ago, could say that will Pinchuk with just such a budget? Maybe now, after Pinchuk, you have someone who understands that the same money you can invest in a national art that it is profitable and as a business, and as a branding strategy. Five years ago, three or four million dollars could muzeefitsirovat 15 years of modern Ukrainian art things first magnitude, a unique collection and putting some money into promotion, draw from our art phenomenon of world culture, write it in this field. But it is today underestimated! And today a strategic investment
in modern Ukrainian art is doomed to be effective.
And do it without money is impossible? Even if, for example, to write the history of modern art?
It probably could be done under the Soviet regime, which had been planned budgets for art and book publishing, where all stupidly got 120 rubles, and suffered from too much free time. We needed only an enlightened reformer in power. This has not happened. Today, socialism is, fortunately, gave up the ghost. But the living people who will write the history, need to pay rent on the new tariffs, to buy their own shoes and computers, sausage and toilet paper. Who will be several years in the fresh enthusiasm to the table to write the history of modern art?
At the global art market today is very active zayavlyaeto yourself art regions, for example, East Asian, Indian, Hispanic. In your opinion, is whether the art of Ukraine such potential as a regional trend, and what it specifically is different, that it such osoennogo that may be interested in a global audience?
Quantitatively, it is watery. As the great Onuh, "Vsi наші вісім художників" ... A quality - quite decent. Nothing surprises. But we have a lot of really good art, though it is not the most fashionable and trend that is in contemporary art. Chances he will only then - as it did with the Chinese, Indian, Italian, Latin American art - when he will support the national capital, combined with active government cultural policy. If Pinchuk is not obliged to promote contemporary art in Ukraine, the State - must! And for the massive support of art from the national capital in Ukraine lacks two things. First, patriotism and respect for their country and their culture, not nekrofilskogo patriotism with masochistic tinge, and the living. And, secondly, not enough love for the culture, love for art, aesthetics, education, broad-mindedness and civility elites, both political and financial ta. When the miraculous way these two things show up immediately with the Ukrainian art of all will be well. The only question is, whether this will happen, and if happens, when ...
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15.04.2009, 15:08
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